The brain behind the adult OnlyFans Agency Thumper Jasmin.

all right thank you so much for coming on the podcast welcome thank you so much for having me and my pleasure um why don't you quickly introduce to everyone who you are hello I'm Jasmine I am the creator of Thumper and also an adult content creator myself so yeah cool awesome well um I was saying I like to the guys we always talk about getting our only fans Creator on here and we thought who better than Thumper because we had seen what you guys had done and we thought it was so interesting and different in the industry yeah we're pretty cool it is it is actually really cool we're saying that last time to to the tool you create is on your platform um but

what I'd like to do today is take you back to the beginning of your journey so we can hear how this Thumper idea came to life so can you take us back to when content creation started for you I think it was the beginning of a lot of people's only fans Journeys yeah it was um a dark and stormy night we get into those fake stories and um it was just yeah really spontaneous yeah so spontaneous I did not have a thought of what I was really doing I just I just was fascinated by it I was fascinated seeing I don't really have any I can't remember who inspired me but you know lots of people were starting to do it and I just thought

I'd make an account I didn't expect anyone to subscribe I didn't think I didn't really think anyone would want to yeah um I I I didn't really I didn't really have that confidence you know yeah I just I just made it um encase anyone yeah could just spare me an extra 20 like yeah some lockdown Pocket Change yeah there's some lockdown Pocket Change seriously that that's what it was yeah and I had a boyfriend at the time and you know he was cool with it I asked him he said you know yeah like why not and I made it and I ended up making like seeing more money than I have in my life from the beginning from the beginning yeah like everyone from high

school yeah everyone that knew me obviously because I didn't I didn't have um a social media presence except for my like you know High School Facebook and Instagram all my friends and family so I just promoted on that and I actually did pretty well so you know I can't blame them they've probably been waiting to see that for a long time I love it um they're all spin in their wage subsidies on uh on only fans right seriously no it's all the kids were doing back in those days yeah it is what it was though right like yeah people like in the same in the US they got their stimulus chicks and everything and exactly everyone had a little extra money and everyone was horny

and yeah at home like seriously think about it like you know people would just be so deprived and you know couldn't see me at school anymore so at least I was online yeah how old are we at the time I was 18. yeah yeah fresh out of school I was actually in Beauty School oh yeah yeah so I was just it was just spontaneous and then I ended up doing amazing and so I I didn't really think I'd it'd become like a full-time career thing but it just ended up it just did that it just did so yeah yeah it just I just rode the wave that's the best way to put it yeah yeah and then I just I decided I wanted to really

focus on it and then yeah can you take me back a bit so when you started had you like because your Tick Tock blew up we had that it blowing up by that stage or afterwards it was way after actually wow funny way after I didn't I it was a learning Learning Journey I just started and I didn't know how to keep it going or keep it afloat it was really just you know the people from high school thing that was going on but obviously you need a always be bringing in new people because you know no one's going to stay subscribe forever yeah yeah yeah and I just did some research and I decided Reddit was a good place to promote and so I

started posting on Reddit and then the thing is I didn't know how to use Reddit I just made like one post I went to sleep and I woke up and it went viral oh [ __ ] yeah like my first Reddit post it got like to the top of the the subreddit I posted it and I woke up with like 30 new subscribers which was quite a lot yeah that's like quite a lot you know for going from like yeah not much from one Post Yeah from one post that was like a lot of Subs yeah yeah so I was like wait so you can use Reddit like this like it does this and then I just started focusing on that and I became really big on

Reddit and then I decided right it was just successful so I didn't really want that to be my main source and yeah and that's when I explored Tech talk and then I started doing that yeah interesting that's quite funny I've never heard anything I've never heard anyone go from read it to tick tock yeah yeah that's outrageous and it's kind of funny like it's kind of like us like you know and very few people have heard people going from LinkedIn to tiktok which is what we did yeah you know yeah hey right it's like kind of a similar Journey thing where it's like we were going hard on LinkedIn not making anything content but like you know doing my wheels yeah of course and then

we jumped onto Tick Tock real late yeah actually we were way later than even the new two years later but that's so interesting to go from Reddit because Reddit was it did become there right yeah it was it was it was good because that's what I didn't know what else to use it was you know it was just a place I could post and then it ended up doing really well but then I just realized that the whole platform was just like filled with a lot of a lot of um cushable yeah quite unfiltered right very unfiltered not you're very Anonymous very unsafe because of it's not actually regulated that well you know like it's very it's run by the mods and it can just

be anyone so it's just a I like to stay away was it um going on Reddit quite useful given like all your other subs had come from people you know and now yeah these are like people you wouldn't even exactly so that's where it really it really kick-started me into like believing in myself more to be growing to new people you know that it's expanded my um Journey a lot and possibilities and then I realized Tick Tock is just so much better so much better the conversion the reach the algorithm yeah yeah and and at that time in 2020 it was like you did really right away right there was a lot of girls on there or not just girls but a lot of creators

on there who were then taking people from Tick Tock to only fans like that became that was the pathway it was it was the pathway yeah it was really good yeah um but the thing was Tick Tock is like now that I feel like they're really cracking down on it and it's really it's really difficult to promote as a Creator because they're just obviously they're like yeah watching monitoring and the bigger they grow the bigger the teams and moderators grow and they're just they don't want people using it for that reason it's harder to get people from there to any other platform like we've noticed that too like it's hard to take people not just from Tick Tock oh we haven't tried and Sony fans

but taking them from Tick Tock to even Instagram or Facebook yeah even getting them to another it's getting hard now the conversion is actually getting harder yeah it was easier before but now I'm realizing it's just like people want to stay on Tick Tock because they just want to keep scrolling they don't want to leave no they don't want to leave and also like even like clicking on the link like it's it's not a seamless process you know because it like purposely delays its load time you know you often have to like open it in a browser like we try to launcher um like a chat bot service kind of thing of like a community chatbot sort of thing from Facebook Messenger I have a

company that we're working with yeah and you couldn't even open it through the link in the bio yeah oh great yeah that's so great of them okay so I remember um like so in 2020 obviously in lockdown scrolling through Tick Tock and stuff like that I remember seeing your tick tocks come through and realizing that like this was a kiwi person because at the time like you had a video and it was the last time I sort of saw it at that time so I didn't really jump on Tick Tock again until 2022. kind of forget how how many people I've seen my tank tops like how many people is crazy no it was crazy because like like I remember I was like in the

millions of views yeah so you had a few videos that went off yeah and there was very barely anyone who was posting and actually a lot of times that's true yeah a lot of people that I've met in this podcast like like a Luca um when she came on the podcast I was like she's only like 50 something thousand followers the same most of them grew over 2020. but I was like I remember you from that because there was barely any so you saw kiwi on there right you're like yeah you can tell yeah yeah yeah yeah so anyway those millions of you videos my actual question is what did they do for Subs like when you have a video that gets like five million

views yeah that would get me like that's crazy thousands of Subs yeah it the conversion rate yeah would be really crazy from millions of views so [ __ ] yeah how many you had quite a few big videos right oh it would yeah it was it was like like where were you um I got up to like 1.8 million and then it got banned yeah but that's okay tell me about that like before we get into the next stage of the journey like when it got banned I mean one that's [ __ ] yeah yeah like how was that from a business of course it was like it business-wise it was actually fine because like um I had very loyal subs and you know it actually took a while

before like okay so I was really depressed when it happened let's just say that I was just really heartbroken that was an account I spent so many hours on it wasn't really just my work account it was also at my personal account like I had so many mutuals on that like so many celebrities with my mutuals like Mia Khalifa followed me [Laughter] and just like he sort of you know other creators that I really looked up to I just felt like I built like a really solid and fun and good community over like the years that I was using that account and that was kind of the most heartbreaking part it wasn't cool oh losing all those followers it was actually just losing like the

kind of you know the attachment I had with that account because obviously I did spend a lot of time on that account not just creating but like you know engaging and interacting and for that to just be like taken away from you yeah all that yeah like it was just so weird it was just like this weird feeling and I I just didn't really have the motivation to even like want to go on Tick Tock ever again okay I was like you know I had beef with it I was like I can imagine yeah I brought them so much views you know yeah so it is true I've never met anyone say it like that before actually that's cool yeah I was doing them solo

like you saw it I thought we were yeah and then they just like took it away yeah and so I had this like resentment towards Tick Tock and I actually like didn't stop making Tech talks until like months after yeah because he couldn't do it like I I was kind of like in denial and like starting a new tick tock would mean that my old one really is gone yeah and yeah so it was actually it took months before like I actually felt an impact on my business because I just had so many subscribers and I obviously got so much um so much reach yeah and exposure from my tech talk and the millions of photos I had that it was kind of just like

sustaining itself so it was fine in that sense it was just like personally it was that was the worst part yeah um but then it just started when I started to notice it was you know getting slower then I just started that's when I started actually putting effort in together yeah yeah do you remember was there like a specific thing they got it banned it was Community violations and I think it's just if you have so many yeah it can just make sure it's just yeah you really don't know but it wasn't a specific video no no where your video is like were they borderline or was it like Community you asked anyone and it was like really fine like there's so much worse that's

actually allowed on Tick Tock today like that's on Tick Tock yeah I just think it's a sex worker thing like it's targeted at only fans girls and they just really are trying to shift them off that platform right just doing what they can yeah okay um Okay so when you started like read it and so just going back to that bit were you at a point going viral on that that like you were in the hundreds or in the thousands of subscribers by that stage yeah before you got to tick tock yeah it was yeah okay so that blew up yeah yeah Reddit was still read it was changed my life yeah it really changed my life that was it yeah it was it but

it was great but then I actually just started having more fun with tech talk and then the conversion rate was just so much and then that just went off yeah it just made it like crazy like but really really like you know yeah it did me a solid yeah so like along their Journey so that's like sort of 2020 right by the end of 2020 you're already or 2021 it started to really take off when was the real win-win when would you say like when was the moment that you're like okay there's no turning back ever again after my first Reddit post yeah when you saw that yeah actually I'm sustainable yeah okay just keep doing that yeah I just I didn't realize that I

was hot until I read it I really didn't realize that I didn't realize that other people found me so yeah I didn't yeah I didn't really know the know my own sex appeal or like no My Own Strength in that until read it you know yeah and so that's when I realized I could do it I think that's quite cool like I've talked about that a lot with like not just any fans but like um social media what it's done is like um there is I mean no it doesn't all have to come down the looks but like there's there's someone for everyone like as in like and and what it means is that everyone who thinks they're got nothing or value someone out there

there's no there's Millions yeah there's millions of people who love it exactly yeah there's literally the Earth and everyone is aroused and everyone is turned on and everything by some of the random stuff as well you know like you just you don't know what someone could be attracted to even like you don't know yourself what you're attracted to do you are attracted to it yeah so it's just anyone can really do it yeah it is yeah there's something for everyone exactly and so um along that journey of only fans like tell me how that was like so you're going through it yeah you've got all these subscribers coming on I mean the money would have been a big motivator at that time in your life

because you're 18. how many 18 year olds have got all this sort of money coming through yeah but like um what was that Journey like like outside of like so there would have been I guess it would have been quite polarizing in your view right like it would have been something awesome because of the success but was there like things that were happening like like you said Reddit was getting a bit Cesspool whether subscribers doing stuff like like how was that okay it actually it wasn't too bad cool not gonna lie I feel like most of my fan base and subscribers are like huge sense because I didn't really face much hate like I was actually surprised like I was like really I was mentally

prepared to like you know to go to Ball but it just wasn't no one was really giving me a hard time it was super easy yeah family was super easy friends super easy supportive yeah I just received a lot of positive response which also was like a motivator like I don't think it was just the money it was just like everyone was really like encouraging me I just got such good feedback for what I was doing and like everyone was really happy with the content I was creating which motivated me to keep going because I actually like found a passion for like creating really beautiful videos or images and then like seeing how happy that made people like seeing how just like the good response

from it yeah it was also really like it felt good yeah it just felt good yeah that's cool yeah okay so then tell me like how did when did the idea for going more than just you creating content like when did this idea of Thumper start how did you come up with that well how old were you like 19 20 something no it was actually but I I was 20. yeah and I got I got re uh a t was it a TV a TV series the spin-off okay I think it was a spin-off yeah the spin-off yeah they reached out to me and they wanted to do a bit on you know talking about my success and they actually asked me a question that

was also what's next yeah and that's actually what made me think because I didn't really think about like what's next until they asked me that and then I was like I actually I can do like so much more with my platform yeah like I'm you know if there's anyone to do something about the problems in this industry it should be me yeah because I have a lot to speak on it and I have I actually do have a huge passion like for this industry and like you know I really believe in it and that's kind of when it started I was like oh wait I actually can like do something about it like I can't actually leave a mark and leave like you know something

different behind than when I came in yeah so that's what where it came from yeah that's quite cool yeah like it was um so like up until that point yeah just like sort of got right in the wave still yeah right away and then I realized I was like oh like like you know I was just like back down here and then I realized oh wait I'm actually like yeah I'm up here now so I can like you know do something about it yeah because there's any sort of so far you can climb right yeah until you have to change lanes yeah yeah so okay so that question happened and then you're like well actually I want to change tell me how does a like

a 20 year old realize that like you didn't just say because right there you just said to me and whether or not that's what you're thinking at the time but you just said I thought I could change the industry that I was the right person to do it not oh I could change Tech to make more money oh I could do that you know what I mean like that's interesting right like yeah how does a 20 year old think that way like what made you what was it that caused you because I I really I really love everyone in my industry like I love everyone I work with and I found like the coolest people through it yeah and I just had such a positive

experience in this industry like I just had a great time and everyone wants to [ __ ] on it and it's just like it frustrates me a lot yeah because I'm just like I just you just don't know the half of it like you don't you unless you're in ashes you just can't yeah you have no idea what it's like you'll never know what it's like and I think that's where it just comes from I just want to like I want people to just realize it's just it's like a normal job like it's normal career just like making YouTube videos or being a twitch streamer or you know making podcasts like it's just entertainment it's it's Creative Energy it's you know embracing sexuality and it's um it's

not something to demonize yeah and I always have felt very passionate about that yeah because um I've always been fascinated by this industry like I always knew this was something I wanted to actually be in and I I think I just have a very different perspective on it than most of society so yeah that's where it comes from yeah that's cool I love it it's cool to hear because like these guys know because like the reason why we wanted to get um you guys in here is because I've always said I was like I've always been so fascinated by not just the industry but like I'm like a business person right I love business like everything I do is always getting into business so everything

about this um this industry all facets of it I've always been fascinated by and I've been watching closely like the story that well at first I guess it started really with like patreon yeah kind of stuff where it started but then it kind of didn't really take off the inter only fans and I think it was a a perfect storm with pandemic and Tick Tock and all the things yeah it really has changed a lot changed so much right and I loved how like it then like um democratized the industry where like any like you know because like all you'd hear in uh the porn industry or sex workers it's just exploitation exactly and that's what the cool part about early plants is that you

actually have the control like of what content you want to create when you want to create it who you want to create it with and it's just it's changed the industry so much it's given a lot of sex workers a lot more freedom and um control control right that's the main thing like their own control not being controlled by others to do the things that they need to do yeah which I thought was awesome and then like the other thing about it too it's not that dude just got control like you know that they all just made Bank like yeah like all the all the ones who are doing well anyway but even the some of the smaller ones like I remember I remember like

2020 mum my mum works at a bank now as like sort of her retirement gig and it's in the North Shore and she would have like multiple girls like come in and like have to get advice like moving stuff around yeah and she's like where's this money coming like what are you doing they're like I do anything she's like that last check last month was like 30 000 and like yeah yeah and then the next one's like sixty thousand yeah I always I always like Wonder like the people at the banks that are like why is this 20 years this much money yeah yeah yeah which is awesome yeah I always think about that well I'll tell you what they do is they go home

and they tell their sons so have you ever went to the Silverdale uh Bank um no um the so next thing I was going to ask is like so okay so that that happened in the thermostat but before that like you you keep talking about how positive your experience was like yeah but it's not the same case for everyone no no of course it's not of course it's not and even like the guys a few weeks ago from your from your team like they were had some other stories for themselves there was some ups and downs right exactly but like if if you didn't have many lows like you must have had really high highs right because like it's just there like it's only up

so like what were those big highs like what were some of the things that just made you fall in love with it even further that's a hard question because there's so many different things I would say my favorite my favorite part is just playing dress-ups yes I I love playing dress-ups and then and then being able to create looks and and just creating stuff that no one I I love to just be unique like I love to to make sure I'm doing the most like like stuff that I don't see or like looks at I don't see other people doing I really like to have my Unique Style yeah and that's that's one of my favorite things is when that goes well and also when

I'm dancing my dancing Tech talks yes that's probably my favorite part like when those go viral yeah it feels really good because I love dancing and then it also kind of like it kills two birds with one stone because I'm like doing something I love and then that's converting into subscribers too yeah yeah yeah to getting paid so it's really cool like that's really good so it kind of sounds then like you know when you walked in to our studio today like you were like well I wouldn't say geeking out but you're like a room I was like yeah you're geeking out about the studio right yeah and so it kind of makes me think like it's the like you obviously Super Creative yeah and

it's that like need to be able to express yourself in whatever way and you've just found your channel oh it's so cool yeah exactly and I really can just I can do it in any way I want I just love the freedom I have I can really create whatever I want whenever I want yeah and that's it's just so fun and it feels really good yeah yeah that's awesome that's awesome I love it um tell me now okay so we might I might have just like Fast Forward all the way to your 20. so you had to spin-off interview they ask you that question how long from that point to you going no I've got it was it pretty fast or would it take a

little while yeah no it's pretty fast but it really it was just really fast is that just how your brain works like once it gets hooked on saying it just the whole thing forms yeah okay entrepreneur like yeah I was just okay next steps like just get it going and you could already see the future of what it would be 100 yeah I just knew yeah I just is new and I I asked my friends I asked my friends and um you know I got everyone together yep I was like so what do you think about this idea yeah and everyone was just like whoa yay and then I started it yeah it was it was just it was just I needed that you know

that encouragement and then I went and did it kind of like at the beginning when you first started putting stuff out around people started subscribing saying they gave the information that you're doing the right thing yeah yeah I'm doing the right thing yeah cool and so you decided to start it um so tell me like at that point um what when was it what was the November November last year yeah and how long before that had you figured it out um it was probably six months okay six months yeah and then it was just about getting all the pieces into place yeah yeah because it's not like you you didn't half-ass it right like you did it yeah and put a lot of effort into

it you went into it properly yeah I wanted to do everything yeah I wanted it to be just professional yeah and probably because I obviously want people to take it seriously yeah yeah it was I I knew it would be a big deal yeah because the alternative to it was like um like I was saying this to the girls last time like it's like the sleazy dude there's so many yeah there's so many agencies who are trying to do it and you just gone yeah it's just some dudes exploiting again yeah exactly yeah exactly that's why when I saw you guys do this I was like this is [ __ ] epic yeah exactly because that's all that you see is just like in your DMs and

every anyone can relate it's just like all these yeah probably just got out of high school even like some some would be just real young boys just trying to see an opportunity yeah um and then you know really have no idea what it's like to be in this industry like there's there's no agencies who have made by sex workers for sex workers yeah that's crazy right like there isn't is it in is that across the board night even like um you know like is that just yeah like overseas but also in like you know because we're talking about like only fans creators like at which point did like the big traditional porn stars have they ever gone off and done things like this or they

just had production companies I know Riley Reid has actually your own agency okay yeah which I thought was really cool agency yeah okay got it yeah that's really cool yeah is that new as well yeah it's pretty new yeah did you copy no I thought that I didn't think that Bloody I'll give some credit right yeah yeah exactly yeah so I think it's I think more women are doing that yeah okay um especially when when you know what you're doing and you know how to do it well I you obviously want to like help others and that's also where I come from yeah that perspective too like I I know what you're doing wrong let me help you yeah yeah and make them more successful

yeah yeah because I mean I just have so much knowledge I don't want to just rest up here and yeah yeah yeah not do anything because I obviously won't be able to use it yeah until you know I able to use it forever yeah yeah so I've got to have an outlet to like actually keep it going and yeah do something useful with it love it yeah can you tell me about like what's the goals of Thumper like what's your big vision something like this yeah yeah like I really want like one of my goals is to have this kind of space yeah um to shoot different porn scenes like I want to be doing like a proper Studio proper Studio where we can change

the set and you know just experiment and do different crazy things and just have a space for everyone to come create content because I know doing it in your house all the time it's just so uninspiring and it can be hard when you're living with other people and it actually really does hinder your ability to create content professionally and like all the time because of the because being at home yeah but also being at home is great you know being able to work from home but then you still want the opportunity to yeah have a safe have a good space to work and I guess like you know with everyone who works from home especially with someone like I can tell who you are from

like your Visionary sort of way you're looking it's pretty lonely working at home too like you know what I mean like as in if you had a space like this um what's the thing the uh iron sharpens iron sort of concept of like you'd bring all these other great creators in we all bounce off each other that's that's what I really love about thunder is because creating content it's really it can be isolating yeah because it really is all on you and it's it can have it has its pros and cons of course yeah but you always like want to be having a good support system and being around other people who create and think like you and do the same thing as you it

really helps yeah and it really helps everyone else uh in Thumper because lots of um it's hard to to to find confidence and to believe in yourself when it's just you yeah and when you have other people around you motivating you succeeding and doing cool things it really does help yeah yeah you are your environment yeah it really does help 100 totally agree with that like it's like even watching these guys like interact with each other my team like a lot of my team are young but like they've all grown huge amounts since being in the space like maybe the guys who are just here are still in their space but like watching these like especially Conor and the guys like they all push each

other they push each other the people even they don't realize they are like a lot of them don't even realize they're doing it they're just like criticizing or going that's really great or have you seen this or should we try this thing and exactly yeah it keeps you thinking yeah thinking about things that you wouldn't yourself you know it just brings in different perspectives yeah it's really important when you're trying to expand and keep growing yeah yeah so okay so I want to push you a little further okay I want to be your next um spin-off moment so so you said yeah you want to be content creation Studio or something like that but like tell me about like proper big Visions like where are

you really going like because that's like that's cool and fun okay but okay you're gonna go bigger than that right okay so there's not much like there's not a big Pawn industry in New Zealand yeah there really isn't like you know all the big poor names brothers and yeah all Vixens like all that they're all based in America and anyone who's wanting to actually like make it big time in this industry would have to move and you know go off there and like I've thought about moving there but I don't want to move to America I don't have to move to really like successful and like have a good career and like have like have that kind of exposure kind of thing so that's kind

of cool my goal with thunder is that to actually create like a really strong name brand here for people in this industry so that they don't need to move because I mean I don't really want to move something I'll create my own opportunities in this industry here so so like so like an alternative to something like Brazos just as an example um but New Zealand and new zealand-based yeah yeah that's cool yeah because nothing like it and yeah yeah I feel like um people are just gonna you know the people in this industry are just going to keep growing with the way online and social media is going like people they'll just be way more online sex workers yeah and you know I want to

create like an actual good space and hub for that to be able to flourish have people moved to New Zealand yeah to New Zealand yeah yeah and I feel like New Zealand opponent has its own thing like the American Pawn they're doing their own thing you know like it's very you can tell yeah so I feel like it's just creating a different kind of a different kind of um um art with with being in New Zealand as well it's like it's like all creatives right it's like it's like New Zealand rap you can pick it out it's like New Zealand rep or Aussie rep or UK or like you can tell where it comes from it's even like um I think the same with tick

tocks like you can tell it you just tell even from the room well that's how like when I saw your one or other people's like even a lucernet you don't even have to hear them speak yeah you just see them dance like you're from New Zealand you can just tell the lights or something there's somewhere just subconsciously it's just in in our veins we can just tell you can tell like and even by the way that like subtle things like the way they dress or yeah the way that um like people's hairstyles yeah exactly whatever it might be and there's a flavor to it right and that's what gives it it's charm yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly okay cool I like that it's

a huge like proper like World dominating yeah what do you call that production cam media camera yeah it's just immediately yeah it is it's just a massive media yeah do you see like you know people who are typically like quite entrepreneurial like you obviously are because the way your brain thinks they um they like to build stuff but they like the beginning of the build and then once it gets established and it's a bit more mature they often get like okay cool on to the next thing or try build a bigger or whatever so do you do you feel that that sometimes you as well or are you just too early in this journey to even know if that's a thing yet because it's all

still exciting bye bye I like to go I'm enjoying this journey I feel like every especially coming into place as it is and um like especially now I feel very comfortable in what I've created so far and now it's just it's just confirmed that anything that I do like want and say it will yeah that's possible and and can happen and be successful yeah cool yeah let's let's fast forward 10 years yeah okay and what are you hoping the impact Thumper makes on the industry in 10 years time I really I really want people to not to to respect it yeah I just want people to respect secrets and obviously not everyone will like there's not everyone but already I I know there's such a

shift happening and it feels really good to see sex work finally be you know seen as a viable career and I I want people to actually be able to say oh I want to be doing porn and it's completely fine isn't completely like normal yeah yeah yeah okay cool and um do you have any things like like so for me for instance right like when I built this when we started building this business it was always like our things global domination too right like completely take over the whole world um media company and it's important like content creation is so important like it's only going to get more exactly it's it's I always think that if you're not utilizing content creation then you're gonna fall

behind yeah so Thumper will take over all the uh six burger content creation yeah and attention seek will take over all the other content creation yeah it's more PC you know family friendly yeah um what does jasmine want to do next like what's other things like what's the other interests you have because I just love traveling it's really simple yes I just love traveling yeah I'm really enjoying I'm flying to LA tomorrow yeah that's my favorite favorite thing to do yeah yeah and then having my nice little home base here in New Zealand what is about it that that you like well it's just well it's not to like about traveling you're like exploring and meeting new people and having experiences because it's very like

you know the world is so much to offer that new zealanders are you know I'm it's home so it's home always will be home yeah but um it is lacking on a lot of things yeah yeah especially at my age you know I wanna yeah explore party yeah yeah and do you use that travel uh to still do like audio Yeah yeah it's great I can work wherever and wherever in the world I have friends so do you use it to like um in your industry like are you using it to like meet other creators and like create with them every opportunity every single place I go to I find someone to work with yeah because that's also fun you know yeah yeah yeah perhaps

uh and it's new environment right yeah when we go to New York later Ashley we need to pay for our trip I need to do start my feet finder um okay cool well that's awesome now honestly like I think what I re what I really wanted to interview when I saw this happen is that and I was like one of the first people I said right like we need to get Thumper on because I'm fascinated by what you guys do because you're right no one's ever done it before and um I've always had a fascination of the sex industry like you're talking about everyone does yeah everyone is so fascinated by it so like since I was young like like I've told the story before

like my my mum always knew she was like like Stan wants to be a pornstar and like it's changed now but like that's that's what I was when I was younger right to the point where my mum's mate was a lady called Astrid glitter do you know who Astrid glitter is no Astrid glitter do you know Astrid glitter okay you might you guys are way too young but Ash have you heard the story oh so Astrid glitter is quite well known in the New Zealand porn industry as like the first female porn director one of the first in the world I think I know her actually I think I met her yeah I did she made a film called her first film was John yes

yeah I think I watched it lucky and last unlucky in love I still remember the tagline it was a gay porno and were they like making something on the stove have you seen it no oh okay but yeah I was invited to this porn Revolution event yeah yeah and she was there she might have watched it she's New Zealand porn royalty kind of how long she's been in there she definitely met her yeah I met her so yeah so I she's a friend of my mum's and uh mum introduced us she's like oh Stan I'm I've got you a small world wow and yeah I was young at times like 19 or something like that and I was like oh [ __ ] yeah let's [ __ ] go

and then so I kind of the cool question she's like okay so did your mum tell you it's a gay porno and I'm like oh okay so I'm I'm not gay and she's like okay I know that but there's a solo scene we need okay which is we just need some dude in the toilet to beat off in the toilet like and that's all it needs to be and he did it I was like I could do that that's fine I can there's no worries so anyway I I went through this whole thing right and I met her and she was like okay I need you to go to acting classes because like you need to know how to perform on a camera and blah

blah yeah and so at that time I just started seeing this girl and she just blew up and that just became this whole thing that like I couldn't do it um because I I probably could have done I could have you know in hindsight I was 19 I could have probably like as if we were going to stay together yeah I probably could have just been like back yeah anyway um and then what ended up happening is I didn't I knew I used to know all the drag queens up at Family really well yeah and Miss Robina who used to be like the head drag queen there she used to do a lot of gigs as the like maitre d or whatever the host and

she's like oh Stan I've got this gig for you like I need you to come be the topless waiter for this gig and I was like oh yeah it's like 150 bucks an hour and I'm like a student I was like [ __ ] it yes we could do this yeah it was like a four hour gig and anyway I get there and she's like okay so it says gay porno release party it's this movie called John and I was like oh and then I saw Astro to Glenn again she's like oh you could have been in this you could have been up here on this day and then see you see your girlfriend at the time yeah well it was my dumb fault right because I

could have just told her to [ __ ] off yeah because we're not obviously not together anymore yeah but um it was one of those sliding door moments right like it was so iconic yeah it was one of those like sliding door moments where like uh they could have been a gay porno with me and it haven't been enough right now which was [ __ ] hilarious um and then and then then there was a second part where she then made a straight one and it was still the same girlfriend and then like she rang me up and I was like I just can't blah blah um we're a bit more serious at that time but then but then shortly after we weren't no I'm sure we could make

it happen you're almost in it you're almost awesome yeah I mean these days it's like the desire to become a Pawn Stars but we haven't changed like it was like a definitely like a young dumb full of something uh I love the drive though yeah I wish I wish um more guys had that oh I think it's awesome I always thought the industry was amazing like I I remember watching um James Dean interview once like you know James Dean there yeah he was like he talked about it how he was the guy when he was young that he was just like I was the guy at parties who had just start you know doing something I didn't remember thinking like I just remember thinking this

was why mama would always say it she was like um I just remember that listen to him and if you go [ __ ] I could do this that's me like I'm that guy but I guess my point of it is is that like um getting right back to the to the beginning of that story is I think the porn industry and six workers and stuff is like fascinating like I just think it's the oldest profession it's always been here it's never going away it's never going away never going away it's actually oversaturated at the moment humans will not exist before it like before it stops yeah you know like it's just never going away exactly and there is literally nothing wrong with it in terms of

like what you're producing except that it was an industry where um it was bad really run it was badly run that's the thing it's just badly run and that's where it gets exactly that's where it gets a really horrible name and right so because it was it was just being the wrong hands wrong hands were so long and I was like okay well porn's getting serious now guys like Pawn's actually like taking over the Internet yeah only fans and everything and I just really wanted to make sure I was seeing a good example yeah for how to run it and actually making sure it's ethical and consensual and everyone's supported because otherwise I you know I could see like people trying to trying to snatch

up girls and trying to yeah that's the biggest concern I've got at the moment watching this industry unfold is like because I I can't remember the company name the company that owns all the porn companies like what's the one that owns PornHub and all everything else there's like there's a there's a parent company that's above it all uh I forgot the name yeah they own like most of the porn industry in the traditional porn sense anyway you know what that like that's gonna be your biggest challenge oh yeah as you grow is not getting bought out by these guys like but but tell me about it like what if that happens well that just affects my whole yeah philosophy yeah it wouldn't yeah I just

wouldn't let it happen because do you think you'd ever sell like sell the business like do you think it'd just be saying you hold forever because like you'll never be able to con like dictate what that next person does with Thumper oh yeah exactly yeah I don't know I'm the mother yeah yeah I feel like I would change roles in Thunder yeah yeah 100 of course yeah but it's my baby yeah it's my baby I I don't it's my purpose like I don't I really love what I'm what I'm doing and what it's doing for others and I can't really see that happening that's cool I love that that's cool that's great because like it is a it's a real that's one things I've noticed

like when I saw you I thought it was cool but then I thought [ __ ] I wonder how um because Money Talks right like like how at which point does um these stupid numbers get thrown at people and and that's how exploitation happens because it's like oh yeah I've got the money I'm gonna put a spring fence around everything and then hold it exactly which is a bit crazy that's been good for you at the moment what are you now 21 or something yeah yeah like it's pretty hard anyway I think it's cool I think it's pretty great I wanted to get into um because I know Stacy's gonna wants me to clip some stuff out of this so I want to talk about some stuff

I want to I want to hear some of the stories okay I want to hear some one of the stories that I really want to start with is that you have traveled well yes and I want to know like who's the creator that you met or you did some you made some scenes with or whatever it is that you're just like holy like when you when it was happening you're like what is going on in a bad way a good way both okay you tell me okay like both good or bad like it was just like for you in the moment you're like holy [ __ ] this is happening okay actually it's one of the coolest parts that happened to me was that I discovered that

I could come from being fingered okay and I've never that's never happened to me in my life interesting in my whole life yeah and I just thought it was impossible yeah and there was this this woman and we were just doing a scene yeah and I just thought it would be you know like any other scene and she knew what she was doing like she was experienced and like I I love that though yeah I loved it I was loving it I was actually like like in there like in love and I I just I couldn't believe it and I was just in shock I like couldn't speak to anyone for the rest of the day because I was just like wow I just discovered

something new about myself and my body through this and it was just I I felt like I felt like on top of the world like I just unlocked a new achievement yeah yeah it was great and I just that's something that I never expected to happen yeah like didn't expect like you know I thought I I thought I knew everything and I knew what I liked knew what could happen knew what couldn't happen and for that to just happen with like a random person yeah unexpectedly right it was very unexpected and I I feel like that I was like oh damn yeah my job's cool as [ __ ] yeah I love my job and like so I mean I don't know how you want much you

want to share with me but like did that then become a thing that like now you just now we're dating yeah so are you guys winter wedding no like are you like is it did you actually unlock that feature in The Game of Life and like yeah I was just saying no I use that now I tell everyone this is this is how you do it yeah and I show them the video that is yeah tutorial yeah we are doing the scene unless you study this that is so good because in the whole Dropbox link of all my favorite videos all my favorite orgasms yeah that's crazy no how long ago was that like for you like was that early on in the stage was

that quite a recent thing um yeah like a year ago oh yeah well I mean I say recently yeah you haven't really been doing it that long anyway what happened in three years a year ago in the scale of like my whole entire life yeah I feel like that's pretty recent yeah it is discovering another way you can orgasm yeah absolutely yeah it's great okay so when I asked you that question just before you said good or bad was there bad because if it's bad like seriously when I think of anything bad happening I can't think of anything straight away is there anything that's like kind of like uh like cringe or awkward or like were there any scenes that just some [ __ ] up funny

[ __ ] happened that you like all the crap I would I would say uh shooting with just shooting with someone and and they just weren't hygienic and then it was traumatizing yeah that was bad that's probably been a bad yeah yeah but what are you doing did you just stop you would or did you just go through with it because that was just for nothing like that's a good employee just such a good at your job just like just gotta do it today sucks but [ __ ] let's go get through this today I always have good yeah so I still got the video yeah but I haven't so that's been a bad bad situation other than that I can't think of anything that's been really like horrible

like really like didn't want you know stop me from working yeah doing it right if you keep getting those sorts of things exactly I think the cool part is just having to feel comfortable with having control over who you're shooting with basically you know yeah and it kind of the setting of it's way more casual yeah I would say because it's very like uh yeah it's just very casual yeah yeah yeah tell me um we're talking off camera at the start you'll tell me about that video that went viral recently a few um on the fan oh the fan Buzz yeah yeah so I mean you can decide however you want to explain the story but like you talked about the Five Guys story yeah

tell me about that that's now that we're on camera however you want to check it because that story was [ __ ] crazy and what I and I'll just give some context of that um I when I watched it I was like okay it's unbelievable however it feels like there's an element of Truth in it somewhere um but yeah tell me where that came from okay so they said to me okay just say your craziest story and I honestly like couldn't think of like something crazy crazy where where it would go viral yeah you know because this is my one shot this is my one opportunity this is like the famous I know it's going to be seen by millions of people so I really had to

you know make account and I just said I just hit the most out the gates of the things I really wasn't thinking about the repercussions I was just I was just speaking out of my ass and I I took I took inspiration from something that actually happened like a group of five guys did come over and sleep at my house because they would like they needed to some way to crash but I didn't sleep with all of them yeah let alone they weren't my friend's boyfriends and there was no cream pieing and no eating I know but afterwards I thought I hope they don't use that oh wait that was really yeah but then it came out and actually did so well so and I

got kind of a lot of attention from it and like subscribers oh that was so yeah I'm so glad I said that yeah I killed it yeah tell me like because we took a bit of camera like you've obviously gotten really you've got a real good understanding of what works and what goes viral and what goes Brandy and stuff yeah you really just got to let go of yeah um your dignity I mean you're [ __ ] on camera it's not like yeah exactly you've already given away everything exactly and you've just kind of just gotta let go of like this idea of yourself yeah that you'd like want people to to have of you yeah and just and just be true to yourself like just know

that like who you are and that's really all that matters like what everyone else thinks of you is just what they think of you and you you know you can't control it is like is Jasmine X on these things is she a character for you or like like as an a part of like a heightened version of who you really are because like I don't look like that all the time I you know I'm I'm very like the the me that uh the internet doesn't see is I dress like I'd you know dress like such a bum like whenever I go out in public I'm like I hope no one sees me like because I just I just I feel like who who I am

online yeah it's selling a fantasy yeah obviously I I put a lot of love and care into what I create and want to share online yeah but definitely it's it's quite different to who I would say I am like a day-to-day basis yeah because it's like um we talk about that a lot here because like there's there's only so much um you have to go all in on something yeah and you can't be that person all the time on our content on our attention seeker content um whenever we have the videos that get like five ten million views like with Joni and I go and edit each other yeah like it's um I mean it's an act like we even know like I turn into

Shrek she turns into donkey yeah that's our inspiration for those characters like we decided that early on that's so cool so like for you when you're doing that with them does that like sort of stuff cross your mind like in terms of like I've got to get into character here I'm on the fan band like I gotta go in to go viral to get subs or just to be you know whatever it is I don't I feel like I just I know what works and I know what doesn't work and I I know what I have to do yeah to actually get the most out of um an opportunity yeah yeah okay and um in terms of like that like fan van that particular thing

that particular Channel yeah um do you think like are you using those channels like purely like is that just like a PR for you it's good exposure how you think about it it's a good opportunity yeah it's a really good opportunity it's like how the shortland street guys get into the woman's day you're going on to Fan van yeah because they're like kind of does that but is that the way you think of it like it's not just some fun thing to do it's like there is an audience I can go steal there there isn't there is an audience I can't reach yeah yeah that I want to be able to reach in since I'm there I might as well yeah it's it's like any

other industry like like you want to get your name out there you know you want to um take as many opportunities that comes your way when you can so yeah yeah um creatively for you guys yeah like well yourself what do you in terms of like you know you think about fan band as an example they've decided to go down this line of like having the van and having the girls in it and doing whatever they do in there and that sort of [ __ ] for you guys because that's like a creative way of doing something right it's a different style what's some of the creative things that you've done that you've just gone [ __ ] that was cool like that was real epic that I did

that all that style or like you pulled it off and you're like man that was great we've got to do more there I do that a lot yeah it happens a lot I'm really proud of a lot of things I create where I'm just and that's also like fulfilling I just I I really appreciate good cinematography yeah and um good photography like I feel like that's I where my real passion lies I just love photos I love taking photos I love creating photos videos and creating something beautiful and yeah I love it so much it's so much fun and so that's why I love what I do is because I can really like blend it all and you know just create cool stuff like this

is my one of my favorites yeah they're so cool do you um because I saw those on I think it was because maybe I'm our story is something I saw it recently maybe it was a Stacy's story um you guys were doing some filming that looked I think it was maybe um there was one of the the other creators maybe um what's this Creator's name Violet Violet it was like a video of her doing like did she have something released recently anyway it looked epic like it was like a movie oh yeah we make movies yeah we're making movies yeah it's it's really cool like I get so excited I'm so happy tell me about that yeah I just I just feel so I feel

so excited to like put it out there because there's not really many people doing proper scenes like that and I I feel like there's a huge market for it and it's just also I feel like it's really fun and uh and cool to capture intimate moments that people have like in that way and it just it just looks really cool yeah that did look cool and so do you think like that I guess was what might lead on from that question is like do you see like proper full-on movies being made or like do you think there's a way of like Bridging the Gap between what you do in mainstream media like how you know like you think about like some of them some of

like the movies that have been made in recent years that have taken things right to the line yeah like do you ever see a world where like that happens where you can take it all the way but it's a full-on feature film full-on with full-on porn scenes in there oh that would be great it would just be like really yeah lots of um lots of work would you do something like that like does that sort of stuff I would love to that yeah like yeah yeah like that like because that movie was like one of the first movies that sort of started pushing even though it wasn't I mean it wasn't or anything but then there was like that one with the um there's a

dude on the plane I can't remember that movie was called anyway there's a bunch of movies that are starting to pushed the lines a bit further like do you ever see your company getting fully into that space like or do you I would love to yeah I would like that would be such a flag to like create something like that cool and high production yeah that'd be really cool yeah um it's it reminds me of those guys uh uh the Aussie guys who just made a horror film um Rucka Rucka oh I haven't heard of it so rakaraka like this massive YouTube channel um okay you could probably bring it up uh rakaraka is like r-a-k-a I think r-a-k maybe um yeah and they just

oh sorry CK yeah so they're huge uh yeah so almost seven million Subs on YouTube what and they just made a full-on horror film that got sold to a24 oh nice and like it's epic like if you watch like just just um full screen this and just like get into a little bit of oh no no this is the this is uh this isn't the trailer nah this is them talking about it behind the scenes but the trailer's like it's epic like it's like it's like um uh what's the guy uh key and peel you know the guy Jordan peel who made uh it made the black horror movie where he was like the black guy and it was all the white people yeah what's

that called again get out get out yeah it's that level it's that level of production like as YouTubers right wow and they just all they just uh got someone who backed them to do it oh my gosh good I'm there that's I guess what I'm saying is like yeah it's possible yeah yeah just do it the [ __ ] after it but even if you imagine if you just made like there's no reason you couldn't make an r18 movie you might be some stuff that you like we did um we did an iotune version of Barbie yeah yeah was that what that that full photo shoot was about yeah we also did um yeah there's a film for it yeah we full-on role played as Barbies and

everything I love it yeah that's too funny yeah yeah let's go we gotta let it go off because of the hype we actually haven't released oh so yeah it's coming out soon you gotta hurry You Gotta Lose the height I know you gotta hurry I know I already told Ash not to put out a newsletter because Bobby's almost the hype's gone yeah I haven't seen Bobby [Laughter] is it like when you think of stuff like that and it's creative because that's the sort of stuff that for me I'm like that's pretty cool yeah of course taking stuff and doing it yeah when you think of that is it just costume or like like I mean I don't need a full synopsis of the whole film

that you made but like do you think of it as just like here's some costume to do a fun scene or like there's a deeper level of creativity that you adapt something oh we fully like yeah without telling me everything just like tell me like how did you get into that creatively like how does that Flex like we were dolls like ah got it he's just been pitching me the last two times just like guys get a thumper account don't [ __ ] get on it oh okay cool so you're probably getting creative in it yeah yeah like it's yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay making it as like doing it doing a naughty spend on like any aspect we can yeah that's what I really like

doing yeah yeah it's really fun process like thinking about how we can make like a mundane scenario and like turn it into something yeah sexy yeah I love it now look thank you so much for coming on it was really cool that was really cool thank you cheers