Only Fans Stars On How Thumper Is Changing The Game In The Sex Scene And CONTENT Creation.

all right welcome to the podcast thank you so much for coming on um this episode has been one that we've been wanting to do for a long time because it's an awesome industry to talk about and we're really interested in it but why don't you give a quick intro to the crew and tell them who you are yeah um hello everybody I am Amara I'm a part of Thumper the new and well not no one approved I guess it's the only one at the moment kind of female sex work industry management thing yeah um I'm one of like the new girls that's um about to be launched um with Thumper um yeah I'm really excited to be here awesome well excited and have you and

uh I'm gonna jump straight into this we'll um we obviously talk about Thumper and we will get into that stage of where we're at soon but I'd like to know each of you just a bit of History like how you got into it and maybe we can start with you tomorrow we how do you get into this um and tell us that little story about that transition into this life um well funnily enough I feel like a lot of my life I was always told I would be a good porn star even when I was a virgin yeah like for someone always told me of some people always told me that I should be a porn star and all this stuff and then only fans

came along probably I think just before I turned 18 or around that time that's so good yeah they were good okay we'll cut that out yeah sorry um so yeah everyone told you you'd be good as Ponce yeah and then I'm kind of only fans came along like before I turned 18 and like everyone's like kind of telling me you should just do it so your thing and yeah I don't know I've kind of always been confident and like confident in my sexuality that kind of thing so yeah and then um I was working in a butcher for like three years uh different kind of meat yeah um yeah and I like got a really sore back from lifting and stuff especially over lockdown um

we're doing online orders and stuff and one day I was just like [ __ ] it I can't do this anymore and then I just made an only fans during um the cover lockdown probably I think the first one probably after a couple months after I turned 18 and then yeah it's almost been three years and August it'll be three years crazy yeah yeah um and I'll we'll come back to that actually because there's some there's definitely some stuff I want to dig into that positioning to yourself like how was how did this career start for you um I think that I've been like I was a sugar baby yeah um all throughout High School um a lot younger than I should have been yeah um and

I guess it just kind of naturally progressed um I was very open with myself and my sexuality like I'm pansexual so I've always been quite like fluid and like open to different like Kinks and fetishes um and then that's when I got into like a little bit of like femdom stuff like I had like a like a slave like and he was like a foot fetish guy yeah and I made a lot of money off him like I made like I don't know like I don't know what to say I like I'm only 18 great enough people are just like literally like sniffing my feet and stuff so I was like okay there's definitely a market for like yeah sort of like different things on

the Spectrum for like just sexuality and stuff so I was like okay cool I found this really interesting because like I love learning about like psychological stuff and things so I don't have any taboos or climbs or anything around sex so when yeah I learned about only fans and like I actually saw the girls like on Tick Tock and stuff and how well they were like marketing themselves and like making a profit and how like confident and like sexy they looked and I'm like I love that like it's like just embracing themselves so I was just like yeah I definitely want to be a part of only fans and I just I did it I got my learner's license just like just like I love

that that's the best so there's a common theme there right like about sexuality and comfort in the sexuality and young like at a young age too like how much like how much was that like oh where did that come from like where does that confidence at that age come from in sexuality um well like in my household like sex in people's bodies and stuff like that was not I wasn't like something that we could talk about openly it wasn't ever like I wasn't shouted from it in life you know like so that was kind of something I was really comfortable with the whole day whole idea of naked bodies yeah people doing sexual things and things like that so I guess like when people like

my friends and stuff would always ask me like any like sexual questions they want like one one time my friend when we were like I don't know 13 14 she's like what's anal and I have to explain it to her and it's the kind of story that we always like share between each other but yeah and then I've just kind of always been the person that can you can come to and talk about things like that so yeah interesting and is that similar experiences for yourself are quite different um with me I kind of like rejected it for a long time like my sexuality and stuff and I didn't like Embrace sales but I was a tomboy okay um because I felt like being a

girl like and growing up in the environment that I did it was quite dangerous to be a girl and so I yeah I kind of put aside like my femininity and being sexual and stuff because I guess I was like hypersexualized okay um and then I got to a point where I'm like I'm already being hyper sexualized and it like fetishized or exoticized and all of the isms so I'm like I may as well like embrace it yeah and use it to my advantage um and then make a profit off it yeah yeah and so I just want to touch on um before we jump into only fans and you talked about uh you know sugar baby all this sort of stuff and like how

like as a teenager like how does that world present itself to you well it's actually like because I'm a law student as well so I know a bit about like um I guess some of like the negative side of the some of like the industry so there's a site called like seeking Arrangements um and you don't have to like have an ID verification or anything like that um and in New Zealand there actually is a lot of underage trafficking um and it is through sites like that yeah um yeah social media is the main method that they recruit um okay got it underage so and like and you can tell me if we don't want to go down here but like was that like you

getting into it was it like was it partly there like was it partly getting recruited at a young age rather than by your own choice yeah definitely yeah I didn't really have like a choice um so then it was like um I know like the negative side of things yeah like of it so it's like only fans and stuff is such a different world yeah um it's like you're fully in control yeah you are like it's based on your autonomy yeah um and what you choose to do um and it's more liberating like that side of things is like quite scary like that's another one and it exists in New Zealand so many people don't understand but it's it's real it's threatening yeah it's super

scary like um I I mean we're getting off topic here but like I did a lot of my like 20s and the Gold Coast right like I was one of those young dumb kiwis went to the Gold Coast when I was in my 20s and but sick trafficking was huge there because like there was guys like coming over they would drug up these girls take them back to the UAE or whatever that was when like Dubai was like going through its rapid expansion they'll just take all these pretty girls over and like they'll be lost for like six seven years that's crazy it was crazy stuff anyway that's not what this conversation's about but it's cool it's cool because actually we talked about this off

camera a little bit like what only fans has done for the sex industries all awesome we talked about how the growth of um sex workers for like literally ever has been like pretty much um taken advantage of right like it's what it is right it's been exploitation but to now it's like empowerment right like the only fans thing like when that happened like the guys know because like I always talk about like I'm always like the business of only fans is [ __ ] epic like how it's given control but not just only fans like even the way PornHub set up now like where anyone can post on it anyone can do anything like the democratization of these content platforms they've made it more active axes and

things like that and made it a lot easier to kind of work work the app and like exact money and that's what I wanted to ask like how easy is it for you like was it is it much of a barrier to like get yourself on there um uh I didn't have troubles but I know a few people like when it comes to just getting your account verified I had a little bit of trouble with verification but I know some girls like you have to like provide ID and their passport doesn't work their license doesn't work for whatever reason and like only fans kind of just sends you the same default email every time and like doesn't really like you know you can talk to

someone real but it takes a lot to get there with a lot of things yeah um but yeah I feel like the the website itself has definitely gotten better over the years um it's kind of annoying like I wish we could have an app but I don't I don't think they would ever allow that on the App Store anyways so yeah that's kind of only Annoying Thing but yeah but actually like getting started into that journey of any fans was like quite easy otherwise like it's pretty simple step like from a just like pure mechanical way I when I first started I like didn't I I started with um like two of my friends from high school we started like within the same couple weeks

other than that I don't know anybody else okay so I was kind of just winging this like watched like Lin of the plugs YouTube video one time like how to use I love it and um yeah and basically I just kind of winged it it was a little bit confusing like even like just trying to send out a trailer with the ppv yeah um on messages I only just learned it probably six months ago yeah really yeah I had to ask people because it's just like some things are just a little bit confusing other than that it's pretty it's pretty easy yeah and how did you find it as well on your side City yeah I found it like pretty easy like just setting it

up it takes like around about like two weeks I think for like your Banking and everything to be verified so as long as you've got like I did yeah and a bank account you can create one and stuff so I think just like making it is like the easy part and then like yeah maintaining maintaining it is like the other part yeah yeah and I want to get into that actually and I might just jump into there and come back to some other questions is that look we we're obviously non-money fans agency but we like a Content agency right we're creative for people and the reason why we exist is because people suck at making content like they're just used to settle right so they

hire us now obviously like from your guys perspective when you started out you're out on your own doing it right how hard was it to like continually like figure out what content to make like how to put it out like because like yeah like like let's be honest most people watching the stuff gonna go ah it's as easy just [ __ ] take your clothes off right but like it's not that is it no it's a lot harder I struggled like because I've been doing it for almost three years yeah so um it got to a point like I was waking up every day in the same house doing the same thing by myself and like you kind of lose a bit of a passion for it

because it's like what now like I've done everything I possibly good I've used every toy I own yeah like I put it in all my hearts now what like kind of thing and yeah it just kind of got repetitive um but now luckily like when I first started I uh I wasn't on Tick Tock and things like that so and my Instagram was always getting deleted and like I always just had like things that were kind of pushing me back from things like that but yeah yeah yeah um and what about yourself like from a Content creation perspective like did you find that challenging because you've not you've done more than just only fans and things like that like how's that content Journey been for

you look I've been um I haven't done anything with social media at all personally am I like real life and stuff and so I started doing it like just over a year ago and then it was just all new to me and I didn't know what to do but I just knew I was like I'm just gonna go like put all my effort into it and see what happens yeah um and then initially I got into it I'm like okay it's just like cute selfies and you post it yeah it'll be so easy like that side of it is easy but there's like then you also have to be like an editor a photographer like you have to set it up and everything and like

try to like direct yourself and then try to watch yourself from like a bird's eye while everything but be in the moment and make it look natural so it's like it's a lot more intense and harder to do yeah when it's just you and you don't have like support around you or like like even just someone holding the camera for you like well the camera man yeah yeah you have all the hats so yeah like we struggle to get people to talk on camera you know like like in our business right exactly so like like tell me about that like we probably like if you're thinking about like when you're creating content at the beginning it's just you and yourselves like how do you know

like I mean are you just watching lots of other people do is that where you get an inspiration like how do you figure that out because like it seems like I know it probably sounds like I'm asking a dumb question probably to audiences because audiences are probably like it's [ __ ] sex stand like you know like but like it's not right like content's not just there's a very clear difference and good uh Pawn creators or good only fans creators and and bad ones right so like when you're doing it like were you just winging it like were you just trying to figure it out like well how did that start yeah I feel like I just kind of I just winged it I just like got

all cute put on my little outfit my little school girl outfit on I was like and then yeah I set up my oh yeah I think I got a ring light that was like the first thing on my first investment I was like oh it's business success yeah I love it yeah so I went and bought myself a ring light and I was like oh and like I kind of just like worked with it yeah and like I was like living in my mum's living at my mom's like closing the door yeah yeah anyway so yeah yeah and from that actually that was my next part it's like what about the rest of the world around you like friends family like when did they start

to know that you guys were doing these things my mom found it straight away um yeah but she because I had was spending lockdown at one of my close friends house um just because like I wanted to like smash my head into the wall living at my at my parents at some sometimes so I was like I cannot be trapped in the house with these people that long so yeah I went and I went there and then like for the last like two weeks I was staying there I made the only fans whatever and as soon as I got home she's like oh you made a known the fence did you I was like yeah but it was not a big conversation it wasn't she'll

just say oh like don't do the dumb [ __ ] that I did kind of thing when she was in the industry Etc so yeah yeah and for yourself uh my family doesn't know okay um but like I'm the type of person where it's like they know they can't say anything to it like anything anyway and I'm always gonna like do whatever I want to do and they can't really say like oh what are you gonna fall back on because I next year I'm gonna have like finished my law degree so it's like I can still do both those things I think like parents can be scared like oh you're only going to be limited to that thing it's like you can do literally whatever you want

to do like you can meet us now exactly yeah so it's like I think that perspective where it's like it's shifting sort of where people used to think like oh you're limited to like that one sort of like industry and if you're a porn star you're tainted you can't do anything else but it's like I think now people are sort of realizing oh actually it's more like acceptable now yeah and it's more like it's not so like in the dark and mysterious and like a dungeon or like on the street corner and stuff like it's like you can be like classy and like professional like and it's like yeah something that you can actually be proud of so they don't know but um yeah I

just if they find out I'm just like okay can I ask like from a law degree perspective like like how does that affect like are you looking to be a lawyer like are you going to try to sit sit the bar and stuff like that yeah yeah and so how will it affect that because like there's like you know because they're like old guys sitting on this bar going we assess like personality and like their Rapport and all that sort of stuff like do you think it could hurt those chances no so like you don't even have to disclose it um it's not it's none bring bring it kind of like into like a negative light trying to think of light on the like the

legal industry if anything I think it's more positive because I can actually have an experience a real life experience that I can help do especially because I do a little bit of intellectual property law so I can actually help creators with like that experience fantastic so and like in reality like I think that's what people were always like say to me like oh you're not going to be able to like become one but it's like and they actually a lot of lawyers have drink driving convictions a lot of like there's a recent lawyer that yeah exactly so they've got a lot of convictions and things I'm not a criminal like I haven't done anything yeah illegal so like I think it should be fine like

um but if it isn't um there's so many other careers that you can do with a law degree but um it's a door opener right exactly yeah that's real interesting and I think that's something to touch on is that like um what you've said there is because people would expect that if you're going to try to be a lawyer and you've had an only fans that there's no way that you could pass the bar if that's the case but it's a fully legal profession doing everything legal there's nothing actually wrong with except for like some old fatty daddies yeah yeah right and that's it but that's not how you get disbarred no no they can't do that like they can't display I've seen you your

booty hole I'm yeah like it's like you know like can you imagine can you imagine like you're in the interviews trying to sit at the bar and they're like I've seen your [ __ ] I've seen some dude lick your [ __ ] out your your opinion is voided yeah yeah exactly I think it will work over me but I feel like I'll have the power over there yeah don't forget the [ __ ] best I can I can't [ __ ] wait till you pass by can you tell us when that happens like can we come can we film it that is so good just like slip into them like make it a spectacle like you would I mean if you want some marketing Stacy [ __ ] get that public if them trying

to challenge your yeah sitting the bar like like it's like oh that's legal at it at the end of the day it's the Law Society you've done nothing illegal that's awesome I love that um I'm just gonna quickly jump back to you tomorrow you said when your mum was in Industry so but she doing the similar things like what was that um oh yes so you don't have to talk about if you don't want to be no yeah yeah I'm fine talking about it um it's not her bride it's not her grandest part of her life but she she um Prides her cell phone but I'm meaning when she did move to New Zealand um and she broke up with her boyfriend she ended up

owning a brothel actually in Tauranga interesting um and yeah so she kind of worked there did that ran it that kind of whole thing um yeah then just [ __ ] her whole life and yeah it was kind of down here from there was it there or is it because of other things uh that caused the other things happen yeah so like she got involved with drugs or gang members and all the all the things that came back in history at the time yeah which was interesting I actually got kind of like as soon as she kind of find out I was in the industry she's like you know like I try to explain it to her and she was like yeah like I understand I just

don't want you to hang around the same people I did and do the same [ __ ] yeah well her best friend got murdered like crazy the old owner of the brothel wizard how she ended up owning it so like she seems she's been through some [ __ ] yeah okay yeah that's crazy yeah yeah and that's real interesting I like that because like what's real interesting about it especially like for you guys with Thumper and we'll get into that shortly is that like there's a new way there's a new way where you don't have to have the the gangs and the drugs and everything around it to support it um because there are new ways of doing it and thump is obviously like leading the charge to New

Zealand definitely but also globally right like there's not a lot of big agencies doing what thump is doing globally because like there just isn't yes they're just like messaging you and like trust me I've got I've got the recipe yeah that's what I noticed too that's why I was like so I've been fascinated ever since you guys launched Thumper I like to say since this came because I was like [ __ ] like no one's done it this way yeah like everyone else has done it it all looks like real sleazy like like it looks like um talent agencies but worse they want everyone and anyone you got a vagina yeah you can do it there's like that one guy I can't remember his agency but I

know he's got some New Zealand girls on his roster or he had some and his own Tick Tock he just you he just used it like here he was an agency right like doing this only fans agency but it was just so seizy it was like Dan Brazilian but like sleazy version of it yeah like the gross easy dirty version of it and I just remember thinking like this is [ __ ] like this is and it was real like for me it was a real eye-op now because I was like ah [ __ ] is the only fans industry just going to go the same way all the other porn industry in six industry and stuff did yeah but then like this came along and I hadn't seen

anything like I don't know like if Stacey wants to jump in and say anything but I don't know if like this is if there is anyone else in the same space as good as Thumper right now like what's your biggest competition at the way that you guys play well just globally it's not a really yeah he's always a man yeah all the doctors but we're trying to make her because Jasmine our owner yeah so good yeah I I love that like and that's why when I first saw it that's why you guys were like the first guys we reached out to to get on this because like you it's not done before and it's like and we're saying this off camera before like I really

love like how the empowerment of this industry is because like there's nothing wrong with six there's nothing wrong with the industry there's nothing like it's it's the biggest oldest industry ever right like yeah it's never going away so so it's great um so tell me um throughout this like period where you then you guys sort of like you're sort of at the stage now and you've been in with Thumper longer and you're about to start with them um tell me about that experience like when uh how did that for you Amara how did that conversation start when did it all happen like how did this tell me the journey for you um yeah it was actually it was quite exciting so uh we actually went

on like a girls trip it was me Jasmine Violet and our friend Nisha um we went to Bali yeah yeah and we kind of just like we're doing a bit of content and all that stuff and then Jasmine we were out at a cafe and Jasmine sat us down and she's like look I know this is gonna be in kind of outlandish random topic to throw out there but she's like I'm wanting to start like an only fans agency kind of thing like and I want you guys to be like the founding models cool and like instantly I was like thank you because like this is a like it's exactly like what I had in my head but I don't know like way of of

executing it you know like I you know she just she had it all planned out and she was just kind of like I don't know there's nothing really sorted at the moment all I know is I've got the name and then she was like Thumper and I was like oh that's so cute and then yeah we kind of just kept making jokes about it throughout the whole trip like number girls yeah and then yeah and then it kind of we got back from Bali and like within a month it was all like rolling like everything was came real and like now it's been I don't know it was almost a year yeah almost yeah like yeah and um it's just up and up like the

escalation of how quickly we're growing and like the how better work's getting how easier things are flowing is like crazy that's awesome yeah and it's exciting we've finally got some new models and stuff like that joining us so yeah that's great and and how's your story to Johnny like how did you come to this point yeah like I had exams last year so I like kind of burnt out and I didn't even want to like do much like anymore because I was just like over it like doing everything all on my own yeah and there was UK so many like themes and their emails from the agencies being like let me like Market you and represent you and like all this stuff and it's like

it looks like a scam and so I was never like enticed by any of them but then when I saw like Thumper come along even just like not even like as a model but just like as someone who really loves just like female empowerment and like sexual Liberation I found it really positive and like how it's ethically produced it's female run it's an alignment with everything that I'm passionate about and so then and it looks good like it looks really good it was really good high quality content as well and I wanted to kind of set myself aside from some of the other creators that are out there where it is sort of like can be it is like homemade stuff but then there's like

it can look a bit like not not cheap that's not the right way but I guess like it just looks not as professional Lo-Fi production right yeah yeah yeah same yeah yeah get it and I just wanted something that was just like when I'm an old woman I can look back on and be like I looked good I love it I did that [ __ ] like I'm proud of it like yeah and like I want it to feel confident comfortable Within Myself and doing it and like they produce high quality content and so when they reached out to me we're like do you want to have like a meeting with us I'm like [ __ ] yeah like yeah of course like they were the only people that

I would ever because they're all women as well like there's no like creepy weird photographer they're being like spread for me spread and stuff so I was like I'm not doing more Labs with any like photographers I don't think at the stage and that's been a thing I've that's my only Aspen tour Thumper it's experience is like yeah male collapse with male photographers there are some really really good ones but there are some really really just weirdos yeah and so it's just not it's not the vibe is that what they like yeah your face could be consorted and like looking so weird but then they just they just want to see like all your holes and they just like spread your holes and that's it

thanks so it's not really that the female perspective and sexuality is more beautiful yeah in my in my opinion it's more it's like the male perspective is more like how kind of like Duty and aggressive and like sloppy and like can you get it's about power it's about power with a woman it's more like it's more sick it feels more sacred it feels more sensual yeah and that's why I love vampire it's a female perspective of porn really I love that that's such a good way to put it as well like that's really cool because you are right like the porn industry because it is so melted I mean it's like the I mean Playboy had its own place in time and it was it

did what it did and whatever but then it was like when Penthouse came along and it was just like that was when it just got filthy yeah yeah like whatever his name is the guy the guy got shot who did Penthouse that yeah like and he was just like the guy ended up in a wheelchair if you get his name now and he tried to take on Playboy but he just turned it into like full like like just filthy just as filthy as it can go yeah I mean in today's standard it's nothing like it's still nothing it was just vagina but like for the 60s it was [ __ ] up right um had you had experiences prior to Thumper like working with other photographers or

film or anything like that um yeah yeah I I did like start I work with a couple male photographers um I don't necessarily have a bad bad experiences with them yeah only saying is they are a [ __ ] for the airbrush I'm like I don't want the edited photos like let me see my elbow crease like interesting airbrush everything that was like the main thing but um yeah maybe that's just me I feel like I'm kind of like I don't notice when people are being like too creepy I'm just like okay yep yeah I'll do this I'll do this but yeah I don't really have anything bad happen or anything but you've just but you did like prior to Thumper you had other people helping create

content with you yeah yeah I did a few photo shoots and stuff like that which I still like the photos to this day and stuff so yeah yeah so I guess where I was going with that line of questioning is that like this wasn't the first time like you didn't just go yeah you and your bedroom at your mum's house too full on Thumper like it was like it was a steady progress into this right yeah yeah um tell me from a thumper perspective like how was that relationship with Thumper and you guys like how do they support you what is the stuff that you guys do like how is that we're like especially for yourself because I know you're just coming new into it

like how was that relationship evolved I know you obviously were friends and it was built out of that but like how is Thumper what is it doing to help you grow your Channel well when I when she first kind of like yeah gave us the rundown of what was going to happen I was like burnt out I had hit like a point where I was like I have done everything like well I'm not necessarily but I just felt like repetitive and I I did lose a passion for it yeah um and like that honestly probably lasted almost 12 months I was like I just still made content but you can tell that I was like I don't need to get paid I wasn't putting my

back into it you know um so yeah she like especially Jasmine like came she's like okay like she came with the plan like we're gonna like she she was just there for us like she'll come she'll FaceTime me myself be like okay like can you post this or like how about can you film this for this week like because sometimes I forget a lot of things so I need someone to like constantly be reminding me and things like that and she's so patient like she lets me come over to her house and just like well she'll film tick tocks of me and like even just when she's just having her own day by herself and things like that I'm like hey can you take some

photos hey can you film Tech talks for me um and she's always there um she gets airbnbs and things like that yeah I'll let you do some talking and is that so if you like I mean I don't know how long you've been with Thumper like that is that your similar experiences in terms of like just that support yeah like that's like the sports went crazy I wasn't expecting it to be like that like when I came in it was like I didn't even have to like move a muscle I literally lift your finger like they were adjusting my hair for me adjusting my titties for me like making sure everything looked perfect I love it and it's like I was just like okay like

sweet like I just have to do that like it really like and then literally my social media they were like helping me like run my social media because I don't I'm really bad with that kind of stuff like I look like I just have like a fake account like I'm like an old creepy man running my account because I put like weird [ __ ] like captions and weird filters I don't know how I'm not social media minded and so like I really really needed them I didn't realize how much I needed them until I had them and then I was like how the [ __ ] was I doing this on my own like no no ma'am like and so they like they got rid of like all

my Instagram photos because they're just like it's not it we need like fresh start so I was like okay Rebrand yeah um and so that's what we've been doing at the moment um just like yeah and then for the launch um and then yeah it's been really cool like they're so supportive and just like really really like empowering like they Empower each other and super creative like Jasmine's really really creative which is really every time I show up to the photo shoot I'm like how did you guys think of this like how I love that yeah like and I think that like watching Thumpers content like especially is like the lead up to here like the stuff that you guys did with the Barbie thing

just recently that you guys put out on the on the Thumpers pages and just like the style of content that's coming through that channel it almost like doesn't I don't know if you guys want this Association but like it's like 1960s Playboy right like it had The Prestige of what that had at the time even though it was like risky at the time risque maybe right at the time but there was like a Prestige about it over everything else and it's kind of like what this is achieving yeah and this is what I'm saying like it's not normal yeah you know it's not it's in a tacky way and everything's very artistic but it's giving sexy and that kind of thing yeah but then like

I'm assuming and like I'm not a paid subscriber so I don't know but um well you know I was hoping I'd get them yeah give me a discount code or check it out we're going to stop we'll get a team one for all the team to watch um but I'm assuming that because uh like it goes straight right right into r18 content right in terms of what you guys produce and so um how far does the content go with Thumper like is it full everything r18 content or is yeah right or um will it depend on the girl uh yeah it depends on the girl some some of our girls don't do like the show Full nudes or anything some girls don't do porn it's

all like kind of for everybody cool so when we do like the content houses and stuff we do days of tick tocks and Instagram reels and Instagram photos and then there'll be other days where where the girls that do do porn we go and shoot like we just did one like yesterday and the day before that and we had one day for just doing all porn all that stuff and the girls who aren't involved in that just went and did their own thing yeah okay interesting so you're running and that's what you're saying right with the way Jasmine created this it's about doing whatever you want to do and feel comfortable and nothing pressured to do things and just being on the environment of people

working like it's like creates a fun workspace and that's something that I like value probably most about is just like it's not like oh wake up I have to go to work it's kind of like I'm excited to go hang out with my friends and do what I love and be pushed to create cool [ __ ] yeah yeah what I was going to get into first of all is like um so you got this content now so do you both do porn on Thumper or is it just both of you doing it yeah okay so were you doing it I mean you told me Alfred that you did do it previously and were you as well uh yeah yeah um yeah I was doing um girl

on girl and also solo but I've only just recently started doing like boy girl like porn girl stuff yeah and what about yourself um I only do um girl girl but like I have like a world of boy girls perhaps I'm like I have it but I don't I haven't like published anything well I really see anything interesting um maybe in the future because it's like yeah but I do like full explicit um lesbian porn I guess okay yeah yeah and is there a reason behind that like not releasing the other stuff um I partner and stuff um so I guess navigating like their boundaries and stuff um it can be a slight challenge um I guess that's the only reason why is like if

your partner's not comfortable doing it um and if they're not comfortable with you doing or someone else um you kind of like have to either like yeah have those those deep like those big conversations that are quite hard but like you have to be open about it and as long as you can like yeah find someone that you can be open with it it is fine but unfortunately it is sort of like can be a challenge um but yeah yeah okay and when now that you're doing some boy girl stuff is it with a partner or is it with Talent or like what is it like a another person yeah yeah I say there you go sorry talking over you um it's it's with my

partner at the moment um we just do we film like homemade stuff I haven't um filmed him with sampa at this point it's still on the fence of about whatever but my audience really prefers that kind of homemade amateur and so does my partner as well he he's like yeah well when I watch porn I wanna yeah feel like it's kind of homey you know yeah but I'm not to say that I won't in the future but yeah yeah I I love that and we'll go back to this word that we wanted to talk about about these stigmatizing this industry because actually that is it because you guys get to make those decisions now right like that wasn't the way it was before like no

people looked at this going you do what you're told you don't then you're not getting paid and you're not getting another job kind of thing yeah and now we're opening it up by letting everyone see like actually um this industry isn't some rough back door look at the [ __ ] you know this is like a real thing that people can have a real good career in um and but actually make good choices for themselves right and tell me I want to touch into this like with your partner and doing that content with them yeah um for him how has that been like it was did he have a history of this or are you just like come on in swap it out so um yeah so

before I was friends with him for many many years and I had started doing um only fans like while we were friends whatever um and then we kind of just ended up like falling into a relationship we kind of just started seeing each other really and like at first he was kind of like you know we didn't really see that it was going to be a relationship so he was just kind of like oh yeah you do you I'll do me whatever and then um kind of feelings started getting involved and yeah it did cause a little bit of trouble between us like I think is 100 Fair yeah like you know it is a lot for you we will walk the streets and like

people come up to me I've seen your girlfriend's vagina oh you're such a good [ __ ] like things like people would come up to me and like in front of him and he's just like so obviously that would take a lot for him to um yeah take a lot for him to kind of like yeah swallow which I understand um but yeah and then slowly I never was like you have to film with me like it was never a conversation where oh it was a conversation but it was never like I was like it's no either you may content or you're not with me kind of thing um so yeah he kind of warmed up to the idea of it now he he owns it he's

like I feel like I'm so cool yeah he thinks that he's like he feels like the man because he's like it's all good I'm good with my girlfriend doing it and now I'm joining in and like he's like I've got nothing to lose like you know he still has his life with his friends and no one treats him differently and yeah no the people the people know it's him like is it point of POV style like uh different definitely people we know will know um his face isn't in it but he does have like distinctive tattoos oh yeah and I'm not a fan of them but I love it yeah I was like I was like maybe if you want to film content you just

get the hand one removed but it's all good yeah he doesn't mind about it at all but yeah just he just prefers no face but he's not open he's not closed off to the idea of not showing his face ever yeah okay yeah okay cool interesting um from uh like you already talked about before about getting 10 grand for doing some feed stuff yeah um which is awesome that's so great um tell me about the money like uh you know you don't have to give all the numbers away but like from your perspective from like a monetary perspective how has it been since you first started and how has the I guess the income changed over the times yeah so like it's quite I there's

a lot of other creators that say that it's changed throughout the year so I'm not too sure what it was previously but I know like for me I don't know if it was easier for me or like harder necessarily but I've noticed that there is this kind of like misconception that a lot of only fence creators make like eighty dollars a month which is like if you Google that I'm pretty sure that's what like the average is but it's like the only fans creators that I know there's no way that they make that little amount like you would not do that unless you're like um exhibitist I think that's the word like would you like exhibitionists yeah well you just like to that's your thing

yeah but if you're doing it for a job and you're actually trying to make money there's no way that I've ever seen a girl that would do that for that little you you have to be getting money for it um and so I think I wouldn't say like I'm like doing better or worse than like other girls but like I think like for me um the way I navigated it I made more money earlier than maybe what some other people would like considering the fact that I don't have a social media platform and I don't know how to navigate social media um so that's like if you if you have a social media platform you can pop off and I think that's another misconception it's

like you think if you make an only fans you can instantly pop off and you can go viral you won't like you have to actually have like viral content like virable content which is so hard nowadays or to pop off on somewhere else like PornHub yeah to then get subscribers or have like be an influencer already yeah or like an artist or some type of like person that's in the spotlight already to get subscribers so if you're just like an average person doing it like and having it in your mind oh my God I'm gonna pop off straight away that's not the way to go about it you really have to understand it is a bit more slow burning yeah and as long as you're

consistent and you put in the effort yeah um and you treat it like a job then you it will pay off like there's no way it's not gonna like pay off like how did you then if you weren't doing social media did get it to go I don't know like that's the thing I have no idea because like like now that I have all the support around something I'm like how the hell was I doing this on my own it's just a ring light and my phone and like my phone is like like how are you promoting it though just I will promote it on um PornHub so I do have like some videos on PornHub like a couple um and then just Instagram um

and Tick Tock is pretty much the main the main ones other people do use like Reddit and Twitter and things I have like I still am learning how to navigate that side of things yeah um but yeah literally just like Tick Tock and um Instagram yeah okay and did like from a follower base like what sort of follow account did you have on those platforms nothing they started from scratch I love it like every yeah ground up like like that's fantastic [ __ ] love that um and so you know like thinking back to like that 10K for the feed stuff right what is that in comparison to now like is that was that like a big payday or is that like yeah it's just an everyday

that was like insane like for me because I was like so young as well so I was like to have like that amount it was like it was crazy and like I would get like I would get my cousin to like drive me to like go like see him and I'll pay her to drive me and like it's also like I'm like trying to like hire her it's like yeah I love that so I think so I felt like I was like oh yeah I'm making money but then it's like the risk that goes alongside it yeah when you're doing like in-person stuff even if you're not doing like super ex like sort of sex work stuff even if it is like really like literally

just fake stuff yeah they could still um can you just expose yourself you're in person right yeah anything can happen yeah yeah yeah um okay and so what about for yourself tomorrow like how was that Journey from like an income perspective like how has that changed because you've been in it a bit longer um so yeah when I first started I had my original Instagram account yeah that I had like through high school and stuff like that which I think I had like almost 10 000 followers um on uh I had I don't even think I had Tick Tock at the time no yeah so I was just solely Instagram and probably just in person like I was always out and about just like I

had a lot of I had a good social network party girl oh yeah outside yeah I feel like that's probably that's where my main audience yeah or like yeah people know me from is this in person yeah um yeah so when I started I had a bit of a platform and obviously no one really had done it like no one like no one else was doing it so it was kind of like one of the only girls that I knew of in New Zealand at the time and so everyone was interested like if like every single guy friend that I've probably ever had yeah they all got to see it and it was a little bit scary at first obviously because I'm like oh I

know she's cute but yeah but it was a bit scary to like know that now pretty pretty much everybody I know has seen my vagina so yeah it was a lot a lot to swallow but um income-wise I definitely like I got a I got a boost off the start just for General curiosity yeah um and then with that after my on my Instagram and stuff has keep getting deleted my tick tock's been deleted my when I got canceled yeah um yeah I feel like that's a story you need to share yeah yeah yes yeah we need to hear that story um which did affect my income which I've noticed every time that I lose a platform it's just like yeah it's so irritating um

just purely for the fact because I think it's unfair yeah um yeah yeah so that's just what I've noticed most of my income so does that mean that your income like like you hit a spike and then has it like steadily increased or sort of just wobbled um it's like wobble yeah yeah so it's trending up so yeah um definitely but it's just like you know you get a good run you get a good Tick Tock or something and then that pops off and then it gets deleted or yeah I get a good reel that gets deleted or I get oh one of my photos anything I've heard honestly had like 20 Instagram accounts it's crazy tell me about that like why is it happening

it's obviously something around like I'm guessing you're exposing too much for the platform that they're not okay with it is that what it is well well allegedly I mean like to be fair with my like past Instagrams I I wasn't naked I wasn't showing nipples I wasn't showing badge or anything but I could say that some things particularly on my story could have been a little bit more on the raunchy side like mirror selfie like holding my boobs or something like that yeah but um nothing yeah that was too extreme like I didn't post any like Snippets of any porn I'd made like I've never posted a like a snippet and I've just zoomed out like my holes or nothing anything like that look and

I used to write like only fans and stuff until Instagram kind of band all words associated um but I'd say with my last 10 accounts I've been so good um is that how many you've been going through yeah I've I've probably like 15 accounts or 15 17 somewhere around there yeah and so you've never done like any nudity on it it just never like like there was one photo which I do admit was a little bit naughty it was like a back it was I was me wet and I was like above my bum crack though yeah but you could see maybe just like half my butt crack and it was my back and that was deleted it right now and find a million photos

okay yeah so I was like this is it was just on my story as well um and then my Instagram got deleted like that that was one that I was kind of like okay yeah you can be fair about that but the rest but can you though like it's yeah that's the thing it's like I've seen so many girls like like naked and they've got like a sheet over there more like because they're covering and things like that and I'm like and I've seen that's all Instagrams on Instagram all the time now yeah I always rant about all my story because like someone needs to hear me have you had similar experiences yeah I think I don't know what this is my like fifth account

sixth account I think and it's so frustrating it's like you build it up and then just like that gone and it's like if it's for a valid reason like surely like fair enough but it's not it's like a lot of time it's like it's you're not even posting really explicit content that goes against the guidelines yeah so when it's not going against the guidelines you don't have any guidelines to like navigate what can I post and what kind of message Instagram and being like can you just tell me like yeah exactly what is wrong because I don't understand that any of this is like it says no no it has all the things you're not allowed to show your badge you're not allowed to show

your [ __ ] you know the typical things and I'm like I've never done that like even with my first Instagram account like I never like post like a nude and like blur it out my vagina or like blur it out my boobs or anything like that but I've seen plenty of girls do it yeah yeah it's all instagrammers right exactly like it's half that half of it has been grown because of girls doing this sort of stuff right and it's all still there um uh so in in Okay so that there was a story you said about getting canceled things like that Stacy looked at me saying that's a good story get it out what happened now up to you you can you can choose not

to but we're gonna get exposed let's see if I've got anything naughty on there yeah is she full of [ __ ] wait that's your vagina yeah see a look that that one I had to delete but it's still allowed to be my profile picture somehow so I don't know um anyways what what was the question again so you talked about getting cancer oh yeah yeah is that a story you want to share are you yeah yeah yeah I'll share it um it it's like got my real name on all the Articles so bad I don't really care about that too much too much but um basically yeah when I was locked down uh I was invited to a party okay and um which I attended uh

with 50 other people maybe is this that famous party that everyone yeah yeah okay yeah um and I did post some stories and I was caught lacking in a few stories kissing a few girls um yeah and people wrote paragraphs like wishing death upon me like it was like I've never experienced anything like that because I'm such a people pleaser so like I've never like I'm always just like you like so everyone loves me I'm I'm fine so to have like the whole nation like turn their back like have people like my friend's little sister she goes to my old high school and my old Dean is her English teacher yeah and she was like oh yeah um your old Dean was saying nobody talk

about like that um she's my old student like blah blah and she had to say that in front of the class at school which was pretty crazy um yeah and they everyone mess reported my Instagram my Twitter my tech talk all of that um my Facebook survived there which is good um but I saw a few tick tocks of people making other other girls um saying oh I'm getting all these messages reporters like stuff reporters messaging them saying hey can we get an interview and she's like I'm not hurt like she's getting death threats and stuff like that so it was pretty crazy but it was a time that was like everyone was a bit heightened and things were crazy and look how people feel

about it is regardless of these days like yeah because we've all moved on it is what it is and that sort of like leads me into the conversation we had previously off camera about yourself with death threats and things that happen and I'm not sure if you still want to share that story or not but like the reason I wanted to share is like these things are crazy these moments in time that everyone [ __ ] wants to kill you or do crazy imagine like messaging somebody oh you're like yeah print like we can't find your IP address and like give the cops your address either cops I can't screenshots though yeah yeah I had to go to the place about it because they were trying to

there's like an like these people trying to like pay people to find me yeah so there's actual people trying to pay to like any information about me so it was very scary and like get the police start with it and stuff and like sorted them out but so it was like it's quite insane so and like in a sense it is good like having a social media platform like this where it's like it's not my legal name so it's like they can't really I can't find who I was but I think if it was your real name that would be so scary like should yeah so like there was like people looking for me out on the street and it's like New Zealand small so

it's like they can find you if they want to um and so it's like you do have to be quite do you have to protect yourself and your safety a bit more yeah because whenever you're in the spotlight people will just try to yeah have an opinion about something yeah yeah exactly and I think that that goes beyond just even only fifth graders right it's just like what you did there is just someone being an activist it would have happened regardless you're just you know playing up and doing what you're doing it's just so happened that they went after you for that yeah so it's good so it's a good advice for everyone actually and I think like a lot of young people these days

like don't because social media is so accessible but you understand though like ramifications of [ __ ] that happens and like what can happen so fast I mean it's the same thing with you getting canceled right like like yeah you might not regret it now but like there's so many things that you could like you could have still done the thing yeah but not necessarily made it so public and put out the content and yeah I mean like like let's be honest like obnoxious about it right because that's what it is that's what that's what it could be about yeah it wasn't that you do it heaps of people did [ __ ] up [ __ ] I was like some people were coming at me I'm like [ __ ] I've [ __ ]

seen you out I mean Boris Johnson famously had a party at 10 Downing Street and right in the in the parliament in London right so like the whole London Parliament had a party and they've gotten shipped for it so it's like everyone did it yeah it's the fact that it's like how you react to it that makes it good all right so okay enough political crap and that sort of stuff I want to ask a question that I'm real fascinated by is um so whenever a podcast gets on we do some research before the um we start googling on the table um we do some Googling yeah we do some searching it doesn't take a lot of Googling until there's Amara's vagina in my face

and but there's like heaps of stuff right like um as soon as you start searching for stuff like Thumper or even Jasmine and that because she I mean obviously she's a Founder but also like was such a big Tick Tock account before she lost at it like that counts still lost right like yeah big one that she had yeah so it's quite easy like to quickly find stuff that's been leaked or things that have been put out do you in your guys world do you think that that helps or hinders the growth of what you do emotions like a spirit some things are kind of like good good publicity or like you know it is kind of good marketing and some degree yeah but also

at the same time there's I've officially read it like yeah I can't and Discord is kind of bad as well but I'm not too much on Discord but like trying to report things on Reddit is like but I want to pull my hair out they send you like you can't just go report this this is me like you have to fill out like a whole form about copyright and like all the [ __ ] you need to have I was like I can't even be like doing this for every single post as well and you can't report like a specific account like I had people like had dedicated accounts to just leaking my only fan stuff and like people going oh it's um selling this for five

dollars or like you know selling it for cheaper than what I'm doing and I'm like if you want to be paying for it like what's the [ __ ] is the point of paying this dweeb over me you know like that's kind of irritating in a way but um I wouldn't say it's heavily affected yeah um I do when I post on Twitter and stuff like that I am I'm in some photos I'm fully naked veg out everything so um well like to the point where like when I was doing the research that's the first photo that shows up and then so yeah she's like what are their handles I was like don't Google it actually yes unless you want to see the whole thing yeah that

you can if you want but like yeah I don't jump on it yeah but like and so that's yes that's interesting right because like I want to touch on that and and I'd like your opinion as well about this sort of because you did PornHub which is it is free yeah right and like there's gonna be some real [ __ ] up because I'm about to associate this to what we do but like it's we we have this whole thing of like you give everything away and those who can't afford it will take the free stuff yeah and those who can want that little bit more yeah I think at the end of the day everyone that subscribes to you are wanting you to have the money

you know like so it's just kind of the whole point like what you're giving out there people if they see something and they like it then they'll come back for more kind of it's more the theory what's your thoughts on that same process like Presley like for me like with PornHub and stuff I tried to put like like little like testers out there like so it's like see what the public responds to to like to see what like videos they like um and then I'll post like there will only be like three but sort of different kind of categories to see what kind of like Subs I can draw in and so then I have like so many videos there's so many photos so it's

like it's like not even like five percent worth of what I'm posting on PornHub but then that gets you get money from the views and then you get subscribers come along as well um so personally for me I haven't with any of the leaking things it hasn't really been like leaked yeah like per se but like I've leaked it myself yeah like purposefully and stuff um and so I tried to yeah I tried to do that just to give them like a t-shirt to like roll them in but like I'm not really worried about being leaked because if anyone does like one like because I'm learning about intellectual property and stuff like this is a digital footprint that's how you guys you know there's a

digital footprint yeah and like you can find we will find you I will make a lot of money off you and so yeah if you if you realize she's gonna find out yeah if you want to like post that and have a little your little fun and games you can do that but there will be consequences yeah and like and that's true right like I I definitely think like if people are you know you when you when you subscribe to a channel when you buy someone's only fans and stuff like that you're entering into a contract which people don't really understand but they are and then that contract says you can't do that you can't leak it and it's for your eyes only and all

of Jesus is but like there is an element right like like you think about people like um you think about like the big guys on like um PornHub and stuff like that like I the one the couple that I read an article about Leo Lulu the couple on PornHub do you know them they're like so you love them yeah there you go [ __ ] Stacy knows what I'm talking about they're [ __ ] huge right they're massive yeah they're always top 10 on PornHub right I don't know if we should put porn up on the screen but um kind of will go have a look at it later on his own um Leo Lulu is a couple they're French I think and they don't show their faces um

and so like I mean people know who they are but like the general public doesn't know who they are and they they went real big on PornHub early and like released heaps on and just did heat and it was like pretty good quality stuff like they filmed it all themselves they did lots of collabes of other couples and things like that but their thing their story was that they did that was only like you it was five percent of what they did even though it was heaps it was only five percent and then you had to go buy their stuff if you wanted more of it yeah and especially if you wanted the full thing yeah because they put a 10 minute cut out and

stuff and they've made Millions doing it right because they just said you know what like this is the best thing we don't need to have an I mean they do have all the socials but they didn't need it because pornhub's already got so much traffic already through it and like I was saying that like um I've said that to a lot of people like in the porn industry these days like it's it's not I wouldn't say it's easy like you said before like it's a lot of work right that you got to do and not everyone knows how to make content even if that content's putting things in places you know like it is what it is yeah but like there's an element of like

uh like you're saying like you leak it yeah you know like I always get real skeptical bills that check on Tick Tock recently I forget her name but it's like she put it like um temporary close their account and everything someone like lead to sex tape Conor's like oh I've watched it no oh um she I can't remember who she was but she's American chick got it released like had raw Holston content then got this like sex tape release and then came back a little bit later but her account went up like four million followers Oh wow was something crazy like that because like and I was like is this just publicity stuff like is this what it is like it's clever things right like

and like this is joking like I don't know if you guys know Joni who works with us here but Joni's got like half a million and I'll sign a journey like we should do like a fake release like a fake leak like Joni M Lee like that would leaked to things and it's like it does AI content or some [ __ ] right yeah um just as a full per state because that's what like we do that on all our channels if you've watched them that's all per Stakes um and I was thinking that that like from a monetary perspective like or like a growth perspective like that stuff's crazy like it's the thing that people think like oh it's a thing I shouldn't have and I

want it yeah and like then I can go grab it and then they think they're in the know but actually all you've done is you've just driven hype to something that people like what the hell exactly yeah it's like the forbidden fruit that they're not allowed right everyone wants yeah like imagine using your cancellation be like yeah yeah I would have if I could I just had no platform anymore like like do it is like a um a press release here you go this is a free one um there's a person really it's like like uh to people about like girl court and covered parties or something Elite it's too late now probably yeah you know what I mean like it's funny those things like

how they work about just giving it away causes people want to want more yeah we get that all the time in business like it's a classic business move right yeah we do that all the time like all our content like we have a saying in this business in our business we don't sell knowledge we sell execution so we're like we do the work for you so all the knowledge that we have we give away and it's all of that content that everyone's like oh well I could just do it myself it's like go on then yeah and that's actually the similar approach right yeah like like your Twitter for instance like one half scroll was like okay there's enough there yeah um they can get

a taste of if that's what you're getting there yeah imagine if you subbed to it yeah exactly and yours the same in PornHub right like imagine if you've seen this and and the reason I bring it up is I think it's a real valid way of growing whereas a lot of people might seem other way like I've seen a lot of forums and stuff of people going um you shouldn't do that like never share like you know like always trying to get rid of it because they don't want that publicity but but what do you think like do you think I'm off the Mark here or there's a balance or like um yeah I definitely like I notice when I like when I first started

doing only fans and stuff like I didn't even show my boobs for free yeah yeah but eventually that gets old like you know it's like okay well we've bought we've bought it and it's whatever so it's like now you kind of have to you have to to work with it you know you have to still keep branching out and you know giving more kind of things so um yeah and it just comes with it comes with the job I guess like you just have to you know when girls start only fancy like oh but I'm not gonna show anything and I'm like yeah but it's going to get to a point where you've shown all you want to show and then everyone's kind of like

oh wow yeah so you kind of do have to go you have to give it give it out to gain something you know because at the end of the day when people see things that they like they'll they'll come for it yeah that's interesting because I that was my next question on my list for me was the um having to level up the extremeness of it right yeah like and I'm assuming with Thumper that like you guys are going to be in a good environment where like hopefully well it won't go into a place where it's bad yeah like you like you you're the same just here like you have to keep on doing things you got bored with what you're doing you know like

this is gonna sound like for the audience that listens to this is kind of probably think yeah whatever but like creatively you were losing drive to do stuff right yeah and that's like people might turn their nose up on there but that's truthful like you're still making content yeah you're still creating [ __ ] yeah and you have to keep leveling up like when like for you guys like where do you think that line will come at a time where like like how does how do you how do you navigate that when you get to a point where you're just gonna like keep trying to level up and things have to get more extreme like where do you stop yeah well see I don't know I'm I

feel like I'm quite an open I'm willing to try anything to do anything like I feel like that's one thing other people why people like follow me and stuff like that is because I'm kind of just like I don't really give a [ __ ] and I'll do and say whatever um is it the same like are you like are you worried about having to continuously go and not Extreme's not the right word yeah but like keep leveling up the content to do more and more things that you weren't doing previously or you don't think that's gonna happen I don't think so like that was one of the concerns getting into the industry like when I saw things on Netflix like hot girls wanted and stuff and

I feel like they're being pressured to be like oh you gotta stretch your [ __ ] out and stuff like that like you gotta get a monster dildo and so I'm like I'm not doing any of that kind of crazy crazy stuff but it's like there's actually so much out there that is fixed content like I don't know if you guys have seen on Tick Tock but it's like oh it's like ice cream's so good ice cream's so good that type of stuff is actually like NPC camera so she actually has like an only friend's card as well so it's like anything can be six and that's why it's like you don't have to be extreme you can go to the other end and be like so

like normal yeah like and that's what I feel like is kind of becoming more popular now like how you're saying your boyfriend likes to watch like homemade stuff it's like because there's so much like artificial intelligence and like everything's so kind of like hyper like photoshopped and everything getting that sense of like normality and that human connection and like having porn that is like a bit more like realistic yeah and different but it doesn't have to be like so just like [ __ ] seven dildos in your ass or something there's actually just like oh you're having a cuddle and they're like because I don't know something's like that like it's more like natural like I had one video that I I really liked I was just

taking a nap like yeah so simple stuff but like they eat it up I don't know so it's like you don't actually have to go crazy yeah you can just like play around do what you want to do yeah and test it out and see what goes there's endless things that's what's good about only fans like I feel like you you get to make their own decisions like if you don't want to put seven dildos in the [ __ ] you don't have to where like I've watched I've watched um Lana Rhodes talk about her experience in the porn industry like when she was doing like proper porn and she was just kind of told by like men saying oh well if you don't want to get

gang banged then you're not going to get a job for the next six weeks and you're not gonna get paid and then that was kind of you know they would hang certain things like that over um girls on the industry's head and I was like really sad which is why I also love doing only fans and things like that is because at the end of the day I've had some crazy outrageous requests before and I've been able to say no yeah which is like a kind of a special thing yeah I feel like all right guys so if you enjoyed that come back for part two because this episode only gets better and more raunchy in r18 we'll see you there