From Street Magician to Social Media Star: The Rise of Aimon Kong.

I want you to fing off your first kiss yeah okay what year would that be 98 now is there anywhere could know you could be with her at some fast food place at 1998 well no do you mind if you share who your first kiss welcome to the podcast thanks for being on here anytime anytime when you quickly introduce yourself and we'll get started my name is Amon con you can find me on Instagram Tik Tok YouTube and I'm a magician I love it best Asian magician [ __ ] pimp but yeah [ __ ] do I swear you can swear as [ __ ] much as you [ __ ] want there you go I said it it was a very different podcast to lilia's podcast she didn't swear at all oh

yeah she's she's a nice girl she's nice girl yeah um so I don't know how much the guys have told you yeah but I'm like the biggest magic fan there is like um in my line of work and just in my life like I'm real confident guy yeah I'm not scared of anything I do things all the time right I'll just run in heads but I've Loved magic my whole life it's the one thing that makes me choke up what type of magic like like C tricks like different things like that what type of magician you like Chris Angel Dynamo David bla yeah Dynamo David blae um oh heaps of heaps of guys are who escaping me at the moment but heaps of guys off

like I love the Tik Tok generation of magicians and the Instagram generation of magicians because that street magic fast fun cool [ __ ] like so I love it and it's the only thing in life where like if I show people magic tricks I get real nervous I get real caught up um so it's the only thing that like strips me of all my confidence yeah but I love it so much so watching you do magic like interesting you get nervous from doing magic trick yeah yeah cuz I want to land it right like I want to get it right and I don't do it all the time so I'm a bit Rusty so you do magic too I do a few card trucks but I can't

but like you show me some cck I'll show you some cart tricks there it's really shitty C tricks doing cart tricks to a magician sucks because they watch everything you do and you know it and I'm not good so my slider hand's not great I'm not going to expose you there though I me [ __ ] better um so any I was super excited when you coming on cuz I love a bit of magic and I was going through all your all your magic um tricks on your Tik Tok and your Instagram and whatever so firstly like I've not been on a podcast where the other person's stuff that they do I actually go holy [ __ ] I wish I could do that yeah you know cuz like

I'm GNA throw L under bus even though no one knows she's on this podcast right now but like travel travel influencers cool love the content but I'm not jealous cuz I'm like I've traveled yeah or like people who are doing like business stuff I'm like I got a business or you know whatever Vlogs I can do a vlog but The Magicians I'm like oh man man I wish I could do magic like that yeah so cool yeah the magic I do is like more different more like realistic you know how there's like there magician like pulling rabbit out of the head and [ __ ] I know I don't really [ __ ] with that I try to do give them like an experiment yeah your your magic like

Magic's evolved right especially street magic yeah Street I do stage magic too so when I do corporate stage magic street magic but I love the closeup magic it's like in you know so wait maybe if people got to this point of the podcast already should we just give them a trick straight up to hold I can warm up a little bit let's do a little warm up something easy I got a pack off C okay cool let's go I'm good let's go just move for move move that [ __ ] right here you recording yeah yep yeah so that camera is me and that camera is on you okay we can't move too far to close to each other unless we're both in the same camera okay

just put your hand right on top now just we know each other but we didn't set this up yeah okay I want you to clear your mind for a second okay okay think of any playing card you like yeah okay don't go for the Ace of space The Joker it's too OB easy yeah too easy have you got yeah now for the first time tell us all what's the C you thinking off tell right now 10 of diamonds 10 off Diamond do want change your mind no would you believe me if I was fing the same one you say said 10 of diamonds yeah 10 of diamonds you've been H that the whole I'm going to do it nice and slow yeah if I open

the deck 10 every single cut see how it cross out every single cut yeah except for one cut take a look what the [ __ ] oh my love this I love it likey guess bro yeah love it I love magic I love magic magic that's just say warm up yeah but magic is the best magic is the best Magic's the best tell me how did this Fascination start from you get okay hopefully I got that when I doing the magic trick yeah you're good J it up okay all right tell me tell me where did this fasination for magic so let me try think so my brother cppy yeah cppy k um he did like a magret to me he talked like a pan stabbed for

the bill and then he ripped out there's no hole in it I was like how the [ __ ] did you do it yeah and then I think I was in Hong Kong and then I start buying those like magic kit yeah but I just want to know how to do it I don't really practice it I was like oh okay that's how you do it yeah and then I think my parent throw all my magic trick away cuz I was this like typical Asian parent or you didn't study so they threw all my [ __ ] away and then I didn't do magic SC then yeah and then when I was like 15 high school and then Dynamo came out you Dynamo yeah and I was like holy

[ __ ] how do you do that I thought it was fake yeah and then yeah that's when I start researching I start watch him I watch him performing like 100 times just to Fig out how he does all those trick and yeah now here I am I love that so how old were you at the time like when you started to really do it a lot I think like 15 do we need to pull that for him is that fine so 14 to 15 I was doing like car trick just like bunch of just yeah and then I kind of stopped for a bit cuz I I start skating a lot you know party a lot like high school and then I got back into when

I was 17 yeah so I was in LA Tasmania and then I make like a video let's make some video and then kind of blew up in Tasia oh yeah and then I start getting like gck like from high Davis and all this [ __ ] and and I got deported oh and I was like oh [ __ ] and I got deported to rington and I lived there for like few years and then I kind of just school I didn't really care about school I always knew I was going to be something else yeah yeah so I kind of [ __ ] around school should I tell you the whole school life please go yeah so I I I went to school I start hustling yeah I start buing and

I was making like $2 I was like yeah that's a lot I can buy some food yeah and then the teacher told me like oh you can't bust anymore I was like oh [ __ ] so I start selling cigarette cuz I don't smoke yeah so I was saying making like thousand a week I was I was popular k at school so I was s it and I got kicked out of school [ __ ] what am I going to do I start making YouTube video I start doing vlogging which is Magic yeah which I was so shy back then I was like [ __ ] after pill yeah cuz my older brother used to AO pill for me yeah but then I start doing the magic trick and then yeah

here I am now yeah I love that how old are you now have a guess oh I don't know you saw magic mid 20s mid 24 yeah okay yeah yeah you look about 24 um okay so now if you think about like your how old were you when you got kicked out of school 16 so I went to you know lot College L College from yeah what's year 13 like 19 I think 18 19 oh okay so way till the last year of school yeah 19 Co so you've kind of been out in the world and have you been doing this since like for the Last 5 Years like full-time magician so let me how do I start okay yeah start YouTube Y and then

sometime I'll get G and I'll charge like 100 or 200 buck and I I thought there a lot like whoa and then yeah I think C came and I start busking no I used to bus with like a mic yeah and now you know the water from realt I gra people come around and now about at the end I'll like oh this is what I do for living and then I can't did that yeah and then I was homeless for a while not homeless but I was leaving in my car y I was kind of like using the city Fitness for shower all this [ __ ] I go busing y just bust on the street and then C came yeah and I like [ __ ] what am

I going to do and then I got like a FP machine from a and then I start hustling people I just go around the bar I sto bust the street I bust on the street and then I was like What if I just walk around the bar hustle few people and then I start making hips of I could make like 500 to a grand for one night like how when you say you're hustling people what were you doing so magic so let's just say I got OS machine I got this is OS machine yeah yeah I let's say you two on the bar I like yo you guys want to see something and yeah sure and I'll just blow your mind and I'll oh by

the way for my last trick put your money in my bank and then some people just give you 100 they just say you give me 100 bu yeah and I bet what about you and then the person most likely give me 100 bu too but most lik it be like 20 20 20 so I just keep doing that and then I start people are sort of paying you as like a tip for doing the trick yeah but I was actually making a lot cuz and then I start getting good at my skills like talking to people like reading people who to hustle like is this guy yeah yeah and then crazy yeah and then so now you're here yeah and and so what you've done

a bit of you say you do a bit of that you done some stage performances you say oh yeah so I do that and people oh yo can you come to my birthday party and then the word Start Spreading so like yo come to my gig so I should stop Bing this year yeah cuz um my social media has blow up so I do like a course teaching people how to pick up go with magic and stuff I love that and then so I use that so it's like a cash flow income and then and then just do a magic show like sometime I don't get every day yeah but just kind of like yeah wedding birthday party I love it anything yeah what is

a like how do you charge for something like that do you just charge for your time like how did you charge around like two grand for one hour now so yeah but but sometime people have no money and then yeah I have to learn to say no cuz like you have to learn to say no so no cuz for your time but yeah I don't know I just they just asked me I just yeah I got two email to just random people next in me yeah yeah yeah I love it so tell me a little bit about your socials when did you start going like so you had the YouTube but the YouTube's not as big right or was YouTube Pi yeah YouTube I think

there was like there was no Tik Tok back then YouTube and I was just making Vlog I just do because I love it I was like oh yeah and then I did thought I did start doing prank video too oh yeah but that's just for attention it was so stupid I don't I don't recommend watching it no like so stupid um insert Club of him doing prank I was like I was like doing like offering cop drugs like as a joke like staying strangers picking up girl but I think got me confident it got me like not like a give a [ __ ] VI so yeah cuz I noticed when I hustle when I like oh can you please get some donation people won't give you

money but if you're just like y give me some money and they will respect that like especially like rich people they just like throw it at you that's funny but yeah so okay so you're doing the YouTube but that's your YouTube's much smaller than yeah what your Tik Tok and Instagram is now right when did they start when did you start doing that YouTube and then Tik Tok and Instagram I have Instagram but I'm just posting like kind of photo myself and then when did these real the real start like these videos that have really blown up your channel like when did they start blow up last year in October I think oh okay so pretty Rec so I was on I was only on

like 3,000 follow something and I also know my content was good cuz I was doing like fashion content work training content all this different stuff here yeah and then I start posing more like pickup girl of magic and then I was like it start going up I was in AUST I was doing I was in Sydney Mourne doing magic show there and it start going up and went to 10,000 I was like oh I went up to my brother like bro we need to make a course on teaching people how magic cuz I was getting like 100 message every day I was kind of getting sick of it and people asking you to teach them just random people you know like usually like random horny

D they will be like oh but they just want to learn the magic to get girl but that's not how you actually you need to learn to talk to them first yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah and fck what I could say I'm forgotten now that is so good though so Instagram yeah Instagram start blowing up and then yeah we did the course in one week yeah and then that's when I start getting sale from October all the way to now yeah how much does that made do you so first month I make um I make 6,000 from USD nice so that's first month I was like what the [ __ ] people actually buy my prodct and then I think second month is like 5,000 something

but sometime I get so I'll get like product from there like F 20 b USD all this stuff and sometime do coaching so coaching is around like USD but that's actually me coaching P like around the world and stuff yeah yeah so I'm sort of I want do that but I want to start moving to like real life coaching yeah so we're working on this new it's called re magic 2.0 yeah cuz try to make something better and yeah yeah I love this so you're becoming like almost like relationship advice like how it's weird I don't I don't yeah I like it was I don't think of all this stuff but most people start asking me uh so they they on hop on the com

that was like hey have you done magic people like no I just want to learn how to talk to together I'm like oh my God and then I teach them how to secret and they're like oh that's too hot I'm not gonna put in the T so I that nah yeah but it's more like when you do magic it's not it's not about the trick it's on how you do it yeah yeah so body language how you talk to them absolutely yeah we're talking that when you just before we started you were out of the room we were talking about how when I do magic tricks cuz I'm was not not confident with it yeah like a i to sell it all yeah because and

people like what is this this is a bit weird like stands real nervous and sweaty and it doesn't sell it like when you sell it because so much of it is the performance right yeah yeah and I noticed when lot magician they perform they change they try to be like you know how try to be Chris Angel they put makeup on they're like once a time there's this I'm like [ __ ] I can't be F so when I do perform I just be myself I legit that's my character like I'm talking just who you are yeah and people love it so so tell me about the um R magic who's doing it with you is it your brother who's doing with my brother he helped me

record everything so he's basically I'm like in font of the camera and he's like behind the scene so my brother has helped me a lot yeah yeah yeah shout out to Capon search him on Instagram all this stuff blow him up yeah he's a good brother but yeah yeah so okay so October to now that's not very long like six months yeah it's not long yeah it's been blown up yeah how's that changed from the last four or five years of doing stuff has because so you got the course money coming in but like how has just your overall career changed like has it what it must have been a whirlwind of a ride I'm still always the same but um but just in terms

of like opportunities that are coming your way I'm definitely like way more confident now like yeah it's like I do feel like I'm like the best magician in New Zealand so I do all that CU um yeah just has there many others oh there HS with magician but like they just don't have the like the personal I have there's not a lot of like they lot of like um book and magician type guys there's not a lot of like social media magici right so I I should think like a magic show in rton first show I was 18 19 19 years old and D was doing magic show there yeah oh really and I was wearing like a I was wearing like a Hawaii t-shirt

headband so yeah I was IM at pound room P room yeah and then someone saw a dyn show and he came to my show next day he's like bro your show is way better than Dar I was like that was my first show too I was like w that was the best coment I ever get that's cool yeah so what's what's your long-term goals longterm goal yeah what are you trying to do um most probably the best magician in the world yeah I don't know like when you when you start get to like more High I start getting more new cuz I didn't know I was going to do this yeah I was just going thinking okay I'm going to be a magician yeah and

I was going to be famous and then when I start blowing up it made me work harder like I start working harder and I start coming more new idea like raise magic and then who knows man I maybe something else I know thinking being like an actor too cuz I was start doing like a it's like a fighting act or something so I don't know what's going in my life but I just enjoy it and just just rolling with it yeah so you know cuz like that your Tik Tok and your Instagram how fast it's gone grown yeah it's not fast I've been doing it I've been doing content for a long time once you've cracked it and the terms from when it cracked to

when it went big that's been a pretty short time right I think so yeah because you said do like you're 3,000 back in October yeah and now you're 160 on pretty much on both platforms I think so yeah yeah yeah pretty much that's like a hundred times growth in six months that's true yeah right so it has that as fast most people can't do that I'll tell you right now some sometime I'm just like oh I want more you know how when it's like when you make so much money you're like okay I want more it's like like what's next what's next but sometime I enjoy cuz my brother's like bro you made it you should just relax now but sometime I'm like okay what's

the next idea yeah but you're 24 like you got ages to relax I do compare myself sometimes to like like high level like and then I was like yeah plus have you heard of Dan brazilan yeah yeah so one of his might messag me he's like oh I want you to fly to a come do some magic for Dam in yeah so I'm actually going proba go around this year hopefully so that'll be big but like I have to be like super sharp super be confident cuz they'll be like his was chick there too you know like it be like different level so I'll be like whoa I love it um I don't know if the advice on chilling is right for you right now

you're too young H I don't know if the advice from your brother to chill and relax is the right advice no he's not telling me TR he say just like kind of calm down but n he said the festival right now a hippie it's called Earth beit Festival have you heard no no it's like a yeah but you know like if you think about at 24 yeah and you're on a good streak here with growth yeah I would double down 100% oh yeah like there's no reason like you think about like um uh Matt r Matt R the comedian the comedian Matt R the comedian is like 16 million or something on Tik Tok and I think cross all P say 25 million two years

ago he was Zero really yeah zero follow zero followers just started yeah right he sold out a he sold out his world tour for his com com he's com comedy comedian he sold out his world tour in like 40 seconds or something four minutes or something 600,000 tickets damn [ __ ] you know because social media has that power now where you can like do this and magicians are like comedians they're one of my is they 100% are David bla can sell out stuff like that well he used to yeah you know he's got like a different person like yeah his character he's got a different character but like man I wouldn't like there's always been a dream in mine like I mean I'd never do it

cuz I wouldn't actually do it CU I wouldn't enjoy it enough to make it thing but like yeah like being a magician M there is so much scope there CU it's not a lot right heaps of comedians cuz humor is like the easiest thing to pull off on social media um heaps of people trying to be music artists and heaps of people trying to be actors but there's hardly anyone trying to be mus uh magicians it's not much yet no because every everyone just learn it they just give up like I know like social quite a hard aart form to master yeah yeah so I reckon you I would just be doubling down on it I wouldn't even be just single-minded focused not even try

anything else yeah just try to grow yeah that's what I'm doing yeah just don't even worry about like what's the next way to monetize it yeah just grow massive oh I already got a plan so I got my I got what's the plan Tell Me So the plan um so I didn't you know how there's like boost post I didn't even know there was like a boosting thing on my Instagram M so I'm going to create like a new course cuz um the other not long ago one month ago I got like a Dubai guy he does like website and stuff so our website session not sell properly so cuz I got too much product instead of we're just going to make like one product

yeah yeah so just like yeah kind of website skills my brother doing to me yeah so we're going to make that really good and then I'm going to boost all the cuz all my videos already like M views and [ __ ] so I block all them and then more people start texting me how I do it and then we go close the deal cuz before that I was kind of just like there's so much people and I was just like yo go to my website I couldn't really be [ __ ] with it yeah but um this time we could actually close it so we actually close get the coaching so you know mention aone giving me $2,000 USD so but you know what but that's just to

make money first yeah but like I reckon that there's bit ways you're getting into like the til lopz approach you know Ty Lopez the real like guy who like oh here's I'm just chilling here with my Lamborghini and he sells courses on how to get a Lamborghini but his way that he got his Lamborghini is by selling courses of how to get a Lamborghini yeah yeah yeah probably you starting to sound like that oh really but you're a magician you got a talent yeah like what I'm trying to say is like there you don't even know the opportunities that are about to come your way if you blow up as a magician a magician with 2 million followers which if you can like the content

you got is good content like it it blows up yeah because it's it's like magic and sex all wrapped into one no but it is right it's it's a genre of sex right R magic smart yeah so it's like it's like ready to blow up I mean it has already blown up but you can take it further yeah I know yeah people were like 2 million followers with a talent like that you'll get all of a sudden there'll be some instead of some dude in duai making you a website there'll be some dude in Saudi being like bro you want to come play at my daughter's birthday for 200 Grand yeah that's true yeah yeah bro you don't worry about a course cuz cuz I

do I do know how much it worth but just like people was like oh no I'm out of budget but I'm like bro like bro the more you can not give people stuff yeah the more exclusive you become yeah and the bigger the checks become yeah cuz right now I check minimum like thousand that's it th 2,000 but I do know I worth like 10,000 for a even 10,000 is low ball in it yeah you're 24 like you don't need lots of money right now yeah you know what I mean oh I want those money though yeah but you don't need it right now so so like there's a there's a thing in in social media especially with influencers and stuff they try to get

monetized too fast on [ __ ] ways like they'll put brand deals out and they'll do all this crap stuff they won't do like a good service based thing or something or something bigger they monetize too early mhm and then they ruin their brand yeah and then everyone just thinks they're a cheap trick oh yeah and then they and then they never get past the ceiling and now you're always trying and now you're doing birthday parties yeah the longer you can hold off from selling like the Cheap Trick and you just wait for the big things like doing a world tour magic show mhm I mean you do the math he sold his tickets for about $250 of Pop tours on average to his show Matt r

y 600,000 tickets in four minutes 600000 damn see I never fall that just give me some like oh yeah I should do that bro it's insane yeah but the thing is that Matt R never sold out yeah he never sold out he just did all the small shows made heat like he got paid a little bit of money mhm but he did small shows record all the content pushed out G is following okay to Skyrocket it and then he's like okay I'm going to do a world tour because everyone is asking for him yeah so instead of giving everyone your time just give them shows y just book show just keep building it like you'll make way more money yeah you sell at an arena

with like $5,000 seats for $100 a ticket you just made 500 Grand yeah I mean you won't make that much money you got to pay the theater you got to pay all the people but like you might walk away from one night's work with 100 Grand yeah [ __ ] no I know but you know what I mean like you've got a talent like you can't say this to many influencers because most influencers don't have a talent they're just like oh I mean they're Talent is making content don't get me wrong they're talented people I was watching your podcast she was like oh look at this guy before but I'm just like oh yeah cool but it's like no disrespect but it's just like there nothing like

but also yeah they don't have a talent outside of content creation yeah so if you can just do content creation that's one thing but if you can do content creation and magic or content creation and comedy or content creation sport star like um destroing do you know who destroing is ding is a YouTuber massive following huge doesn't matter he's massive makes millions of dollars as a YouTuber Millions like Mega Buck he decided I actually want to play football but his whole channel is around NFL football and now he plays for XFL which is the division under NFL damn because he's got content and talent so then he could sell himself into these things and get a contract I guess what I'm saying is like too

many people with like I've seen it like people who will you see them on social media they start blowing up because they got this talent and they're like I got to monetize it I got to make sale courses I got to [ __ ] do all this Cheap Trick stuff and then they're dead yeah six months later they're gone irrelevant everyone's like he's a seller that's how quick it dies damn but then you get people like Matt R he's the best example where Matt R was like no I'm just going to do small events I'm just going to do the local New York comedy clubs yeah I'm going to record everything and I'm just going to push it out and then when I'm big enough I'm G

to sell and same as Andrew Schulz he's the other comedian he's another comedian from New York cuz comedy is similar to magicians right similar similar sort of stage show Andrew schz sold out about medicine medicon Square Garden twice and he's a Tik tocker just just talking [ __ ] [ __ ] that's what say like 80,000 people 50,000 people something it's crazy bro I bought tickets I've got tickets for the show in May at Madison Square Garden it cost me $450 a ticket D I don't think I ever been to a comedian show oh bro that's so good S com just seen some [ __ ] once I was like oh can't be [ __ ] I'm like seeing here like okay magic shows number one for me like for a good magic

show and comedy shows number two like they're the best oh yes they're so good they like the best entertainment yeah the only actually the one above all both of them which is kind of weird given what I just said is musicals oh music yeah yeah musical no not musicians musicals like stage shows like Lion King the musical Wicked the musical you don't even know what it is you're a 24 year old boy bro you have no idea what I'm talking about nah but look I guess without trying to grill you like bro you should you should think about long-term the long-term brand building yeah like I do I do it yeah yeah how much money do you need now to be comfortable to get the

big payoff check like can we do the math can you do the math on this thing for me 600,000 time 250 and bro Matt rif is like 27 28 I I I can definitely see myself get to there but right now I'm just enjoying my postet cuz lot of people like oh I want to get to the end what's the number all these skills 150 million bro minut bro if I all that money bro I would just throw into random yo you some money you don't want it too fast and when you're young but that's what I'm saying what you mean yeah cuz lot people I think I've seen lot of like people they get so rich but I'm like I'll but before you get

to that size like if you're Matt rif you will have a manager a business manager before you get I work for myself that's the one thing I work for me you wouldn't get you wouldn't get a business manager at your size now it doesn't make sense but like but well it doesn't make sense because it will cost you and you can't afford it right now with where you're at but a business manager will tell you the same thing I'm telling you which is don't sell out too early mhm like hold off selling a course yeah and sell shows yeah yeah yeah definitely sell shows yeah do you do shows do you do your own shows yeah I do show yeah oh I've done my own

show twice that's it where a sale ticket but sometime it get kind of annoying you have to sell tickets so I just kind of do cor g wedding birthday but I just get consist every month so yeah but that's like show I did like a show in AUST how often do you put out content huh how much content do you put out I try I try post like maybe three posts a week yeah yeah but I need a cameraman to record me all the time which is my brother yeah but she just moved into my house so I got her to record me at the moment yeah yeah but yeah I I know every time I post content I get like a sale and stuff

cuz I put like my link go to my website and [ __ ] oh bro I'd love to have a magician as CL not not you're not the right type of person for us but what I'm saying is like because you should like why aren't you just putting like 20 bits of content I know like you can just go out on a Friday and a Saturday night film for 5 hours doing your Riz magic yeah cuz it's funny because you've got girls on the night out so they're all doled up and it makes sense or you're at the beach I get it Beach univ University yeah I get it I get it I get what you're planning to I get I can probably already tell you your

analytics of who are your followers like that's not even hard for me to understand you 24y old men or 18y old men um but like surely you can make heaps of content in one filming probably yeah like I try I try to make them good I don't want like a no of course I try to make it like different trick all the time no of course of course but you can also like doing the same trick uh how many tricks do you reckon you got on your Arsenal how many in total like for street street magic tricks that got thousand but I used have but now I just this to something that will [ __ ] people up okay so what how many are those I can

100 I could do 100 okay yeah but you're not going to do 100 trick imag cuz that's too much for no no no no no but what I'm saying is you could go out filming yeah in one night you could do like you could how many tricks could you do in a night as much as I can could you do 100 yeah okay so in one night you could film 100 tricks yeah and and you could do that every week recck yeah [ __ ] you she's like my mom she's playing my [ __ ] every day she's been helping does he need to put his mic are you sure his mic's all right yeah maybe yeah put it down put it down BR you're going to you're going

to go saying I needed to say sorry cuz I didn't get his voice sounds fine that's why I put that one on you too cuz I know this thing um bro you should just pump it out like I've watched it oh yeah that's why my brother always tell me like oh doesn't matter about the trick just post out every single day yeah I should yeah multiple scam the real I always think will people get annoying scamming but I don't think yeah oh but I got two audence I got two so all my real is probably just some random guy hor guy like it but then I got like my lifestyle like my kind of fashion for like and it's more for like the people I

know you know but like the other end just bunch of random people I don't even know who they are yeah but as you grow it's going to get more and more randoms yeah true yeah like the bigger you get the more randoms there are right so like as you the bigger and bigger people get the more the less and less they understand who the individuals are in the audience and the more they understand them as a group think you know you're going to get like 18 to 25 year old males watching your content right true probably like some woman too yeah but it's probably like a 75 25 split oh no I haven't checked it I we have a look later I'll show you magic

trick no but like without being a dick like I think there's um there's so much scope for it mhm you'll be surprised bro fense man you'll be like a million in no time no because mag even when I me they just they just put all this oh you could make it you got it's good it feel it's like a good feeling you know but you know what you're not going to make it unless you do it that's the thing yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm saying like I guess what I'm trying to say is I've seen lots of kids both in person and on social who blew up real fast yeah did a bunch of stuff to monetize it and then we never saw them

again yeah yeah cuz they disappeared and then the money got the money got ahead of their actual thing they got them there which is this cool content Y and then every once in a while you'll get these other Peak kids who go like they blew up yeah and instead of trying to do anything they just doubled down yeah and then they grew to like 3 million followers yeah and now they're getting flown around the world and they get paid they make millions a year damn you know and they get made Millions a year for doing [ __ ] all yeah it's like um yeah I know right now I'm living the life I can do the [ __ ] I want I just want to have enough money I

can be like okay I'm travel there live that M back hotel and all that stuff you know like bro in time if you if you do it properly you won't even have to pay for that hotel or that flight yeah cuz you'll just get flown there yeah got my own jet yeah H yeah maybe I think it's interesting about like young people yeah the things that you prioritize once you have it what you think about it like cuz like I think the same bro I was still doing what I love if I was so rich I'll still be doing this like magic training yeah yeah you have to yeah I have to yeah cuz if you don't like you'll lose the thing they got you

there in the first place exct yeah okay I've grilled you enough about how to grow your give me a so you think you think I should just keep posing my magic on my real just keep doing and then double down yeah bro if it was me yeah if I was you mhm I would be trying to post as much as I could every day cuz it's magic I can consume magic content to my heart's content right yeah yeah yeah it's not like my content is annoying as [ __ ] because I just like posting out business [ __ ] all the time yeah so if the same people coming back I get less and less them but magic is like entertaining yeah okay you know what I mean like

it's entertainment so if I enjoy magic tricks like I I'll watch 20 of them yeah in one go damn easy okay if I get a real good magic trick of someone I'll go click on their profile and I'll watch it I I'll just I'll just watch the whole Channel how many video did you watch off me oh at least 30 really [ __ ] yeah now because like I love magic right so if you find people who love magic well you're going to find people who love Magic love R yeah you got this you got this weird thing of like you chatting up girls using magic which is like this cool it's a cool thing it's start when I did Magic cuz I like magic I didn't

use it to pick up girl no but it just slowly come to it it's like yeah yeah because it's fun it's fun and no I don't think any magician have a course on pickup girl with magic that's what when me and my brother thought of it like oh free magic.com yeah yeah and look I think so I think that's that style is great I think you got it like we talk about a lot um when you take two unrelated things and you mix them together you get these really interesting repeatable content Styles yeah um where you can just do it forever right you can your Riz magic can be done forever yeah like it'll never ever get old yeah I can do it when I

can do with my underwear like nothing I don't know why they I say that but [ __ ] nervous yeah yeah no not nervous I'll just so whatever come to my brain I just split out that's just my personality here she seen me before sometimes I say the most [ __ ] up [ __ ] um say 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 89 say all the number yeah 1 2 3 4 5 6 SM seven start for seven yeah yeah think of the second one yeah wait look at me it's like a low number it's a three yeah is it yeah watch if I get this right I should get in your pass call what the [ __ ] did you got that on camera no yeah did he did did

how you put that in yeah you change your pass 301 yeah you don't know magic is It's Magic bro okay now get out sh the door yeah get out now all right we got like 15 20 minutes easy man so we'll see how like we'll see how the cameras go I shouldn't have started trying on brand new oh you can turn if you need to um are we still recording on that day yeah cool cuz that'll think where did we get up to I can't remember man I was probably just grilling you telling you to oh bro can we do his mic oh [ __ ] yeah um okay let's get off that tell me a little bit about the magic tell me a little bit about

this R magic that you're doing with the girls and stuff um how is it like cuz we only see what you get on camera yeah yeah how is it when you're out there doing it like you said you got a bit more confident now but like how do people take it when you come up to them on the street asking surprisedly um she actually saw for the first night most of them just say I like hey you want to see something yeah I know I'll just be me bro like I look at them look in the eyes hey you see something and yeah sure off I can read sometime people give me like bad energy I just kind of like n like there always people

like super wasted I just don't bother with it okay next on yeah like I get rejected you a lot if I get rejected I'll just move on cuz yeah okay it's like the worst thing you say they say no yeah yeah you're on a date the girl say oh no I don't like you okaybye it's like when you think about that that rejection and stuff like how have you learned to cope with it cuz obviously it wasn't originally at first otherwise you would have been Confidence from the beginning I think it's from the prank video that I used to do I have my camera I just do crazy [ __ ] like and then obviously lot people say no cuz it's a prank video and then yeah

yeah I don't know I don't really care if I get rejected how did you get to that point because obviously it wasn't always that way because otherwise you had Confidence from the beginning but you see so I think I learned one tip for all you guys so when you go out I you always get this Nerf with me when you especially buy a sale when I'm hustling people I'm like okay [ __ ] yeah but it's like once you talk to first person your confident a little bit up and you to next and you get more so it's like a game for me when I go the street it's like okay I feel like [ __ ] right now as soon I to one person you can s for

a guy you know just like a bouncer talk to them you conf to get a little bit up you talk to this girl okay she reject you now it's it's not too bad yeah and then so I know this trick so every time I go out I just know all I have to do is talk to the first my shittest Approach is going to be the first person that I met yeah and the rest of them is going to be so good so once I know that trick I just kind of not really care yeah yeah so you just do you just pick out like people that you feel more comfortable to start with to just get that first one done yeah but now I

can just go I can go to like 10 group if I want to year yeah but someday I feel like [ __ ] so someday like let's say I don't get my work done and all effect when I approach people and they didn't feel like if I if I feel like [ __ ] I'm talking to someone they can feel that and they'll like okay yeah yeah yeah interesting something like that yeah yeah um when you are doing magic like are are you good at just turning it on now like was it do you some days you just feel like I don't want to do this no I can just tell it's like I came in my warmup was everyone I was just like put me on the spot

I was like okay yeah and here you go so you're just good you just built it up and that's just from doing lots and lots of rips yeah yeah and I done I remember there pill he like yo can you come to my show it's eight people I like okay I walk there like oh this is a 100 people sh I'm like what the so went to close up to close and I was like okay I'm doing it okay yeah so I it's been like this happened all the time so I kind of got used to it know how deal with it sometime I get shaky and then it's just like it's not nervous but sometimes I just start shaking like when I'm doing like

a stage show and I okay it's just there and then just deal with it yeah just deal with it yeah yeah that's funny um what are some of like the big goals for you like what are some of the things that you hope like have you got like Heroes that you want to go work with do you ever want to go on like say like f bus or any of those shows I don't know any I've been on my yeah you know I never really think of yeah for us I know American Got Talent all this stuff but I don't think I really need it right now I could just make it yeah but what's like some of the goals like what are some of

the big things as a magician you really want to try take I love to do like a big show yeah big magic show yeah I i' like to inspire people like you know doing more and all this stuff tell me about that what is that what do you mean by that when you say inspire people how do I don't know how explain you put me on the spot um I know just what doing what you love to do and then cuz I do other stuff too but yeah what is that stuff H what is it what is the other stuff gy you said lifestyle I love M I do like kind of sometime I get like I do like fashion photo and then I get

like free suit and [ __ ] that type of stuff yeah but like those just like outside other stuff yeah just passions I love martial art I like scrap spy all the time yeah yeah I was plan on like once I get back just host like an event and I was do like an m fight like like kind of what Jak Paul's doing like it's kind of smart cuz I've think people having lot of kickboxing match here damam but why don't you your name so and then I can M out of but that's the future right now right now I'm doing my magic thing what's the goals for 2024 2024 yeah I got lot go man tell me yeah I got H time bro um well first

goal I do want to finish my course yeah that's what I do it's not even I should want to teach something that I do yeah cuz right now the course I kind of teach more basic magic trick but I'm teach people what I actually do so more detail in that yeah okay cuz I actually like teaching people yeah cool and then obviously get more magic show I would love to have imagine just me doing one magic show every day that would be sick yeah and then I'm done for the day and big tour yeah I got lots of other go like training I love training all the stuff then like Gym training or Gym training all these stuff I do other side skate a lot

I love play music but yeah that's just like other talent that I like to do when I got nothing do you know yeah make lot money yeah yeah I mean everyone loves that yeah so yeah yeah yeah so that's a big goal for this year is just like just Hustle Man you know like there's like been like a common theme around like growing money and building money like why is that like why is that so important oh so I can do what I want you know but why is it why is it like why is it such a driving force for you because when you have money you can basically do what you love to do it like even more cuz I want to travel

around the world do what I want to do yeah but sometimes it's like I could be going to daning right now but it's is like I'm just waiting for my brother cuz we kind of he's kind of I don't want to say this but kind of little bit out of budget yeah and then I don't want to ha everything stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah so you just I can go anywhere and you do I want to do my oh yeah cuz he my camera he's if I just go by myself can we document everything yeah yeah yeah cuz I want to start documenting my journey and stuff yeah how does that relationship work financially like if he's your cameraman do you pay him for his

time I pay but he's my brother so he kind of that's me so he kind do and he see the potential in me so yeah you know once I make some I'll give him all his stuff but yeah yeah um but we if I pay him right now it's just like all the money is gone I mean because go to his camera gear and all this stuff but I don't want to talk no no no no no but everyone has their own things they buy and spend their money on and that's his ones right um okay so you talked about like you want your brother to be able to go to Dan bazilian or whatever you wanted to do not just that like travel around

World cuz I've been traveling just start last year and I should love it like still doing my feed around the world like do you not want to go because you just don't have the funds to go right now or you just want to wait till your brother's got the funds to come with you I could call right now but like who's going to rec call me and all this stuff do what if you thought of it like an investment like I'm going to pay for my brother to come so that he can do the filming so I can get this done earlier to blow up faster true I could do that but he's busy too you know he's like he's like on and off that's

why yeah but you know that's like getting it like I when last year we went to New York for 10 weeks yeah there's a business and me uh my wife and Joanie and our team we all three of us went to New York for 10 weeks to help grow the business right yeah and I'd been wanting to do it for ages mhm and I knew that as a business we needed to open offices overseas to grow um and we said that we' do it in May 2024 that was like all as our goal right so that 36 days away or something like that that's when we're going to do it and in May last year I said to um Nathan who's my uh like second

in charge here in the business I said to him I was like what's stopping us from going now yeah he's like oh we had all these excuses yeah and then someone said there is no good time to go like there's always going to be something that's in the way and so I said okay well [ __ ] like how soon can we actually go and we ended up leaving 4th of October so it was like 6 months later yeah we ended up leaving instead of 12 months later or 13 months later we just brought the timeline forward it was not a great time to go yeah but neither would may this year be a good time to go like it's always not a good time to go

so anyway we went and went for 10 weeks and while we're there we signed two big clients yeah and their combined retainers for us were like um oh uh 7 uh 85,000 a month yeah but I wouldn't have got that if I had waited true I wouldn't have got it in May yeah cuz they would have hired someone else M and they would have went with another firm and so those opportunities would have been gone yeah should I just fly two more bro you should go that's what I'm saying you're 24 yeah true what's the worst that can happen I'm just thinking cuz all cuz he's a big deal I want to think of the most crazy [ __ ] that I can because you never seen

him like reacting much you know he's like a guy just like but if I just can guess his sixth position bro but there's a um think of your favorite six position there is a concept called Parkinson's law what's that mean it means the work fills the time y so the longer you give yourself to do the work the longer it will take yeah the less time you give yourself the less time it'll take so if you flew to down Bazil and tomorrow with your brother but we're going this week right and come back go for Easter weekend right the flight over you'll figure it out true because what like how long are you going to take to figure this out you need going to us

it's like 12 hour flight to La yeah where's he la I think is that or Las Vegas a guy he's like he's like a guy he's like one his Asian best money he text me on Instagram he like whenever you America whenever you're in LA or someone just text me and I'll bring you to there but give me like two months before so okay so so so June and it's summer there huh it's summer inun summer there I don't know how much no in June so that's what I'm saying okay I guess what I'm saying is like um if those sorts of things are the way you build and grow and that's why you really want to do and you're doing all this to do

the thing yeah like if you're trying to make money to go do the thing yeah what if you just went and did the thing yeah instead you're right and then use that thing to grow your account and earn the money like if you're if you're like real reason for getting lots of money is to go do whatever you want MH like there's real ways of going to just do whatever you want there's like heaps of stories of people who just they just do it you just make it work I mean last podcast we had I know you were here right Fraser grew so I had Lilia and then I had Fraser grw the next day do you know Fraser yeah so Fraser grw does like

10,000 dreams he records do you know who this guy is now he records people and ask him their dreams and he's up to 2,000 dreams so far he's recording so like he just asked him what the Dre interview just records him ask him dreams and he's done some big people like munas and like T Cruz all these big celebr like Hollywood celebrities how you make money from that how do you make well he's a filmmaker as well so he made a film with the Wiggles made a bunch of money yeah and now he's now doubling down on this I mean the way he's going to make money is that people going to pay him to make documentaries and to be independent yeah I know if

I got like a team I would be go up so fast but right now I'm just doing everything by myself but yeah yeah I I I agree I think that I mean we that was probably picked up anyway on audio but yeah I reckon that um I reckon like okay I'll tell you a story my help I know this guy has named Steve and Steve was in late 30s ah Steve who H I won't say his last name I'll give it away and I probably shouldn't share his story because he shared with me in private well I can share it but I won't share his name um no he's about 40 he's about 40 and him and his wife sat down and they said to

themselves uh what's our tenor goals like when we're 50 what's the life that we want and they mapped it out right they had this whole thing like I want this big house and I want two Porsches and I want all this like all this crazy kidsing mote and all stuff and I want to live here and I want to do this for a living and all that stuff right so they mapped it out for 10 10 girls and then they spent the next day going okay you've only got one year what how do you do it you have to do it you're going to die in one year so how do you get all this 10 year stuff in one year they did it in

three months yeah they just did it cuz they just changed their mind to go well what if I just went to Dan bazan tomorrow you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah like what what if you just thought that way what if you just take all these big things and just like do them now yeah so I like hear a lot of I love the story because like you hear a lot of kids and well I say kids cuz you're in your 20s you're a k still kid to me but here these kids going like I wanted all the stuff to earn all the stuff to do this thing yes yes so I'm going to do this magic to earn this money to do this

thing over here yeah it's like what if you just did the thing over here and skipped the magic and the money yeah you know like cuz you could probably make you could probably do magic like imagine if you flew to LA or Las Vegas yeah with your brother and he just paid for him to come with you cuz you're like I need my videographer yeah you went down braz and you did all that you went on the streets of Las Vegas on the Strip did all your BR magic yeah and you know it's Las Vegas so like there's a whole another environment that you're doing in and like people there to party you can do it all day 24/7 yeah and then You' get what's

called like you get a localized audience yeah so when you post in local countries it first pushes it to them so when I was in Sydney it% it start and it goes off but when we're in New York all our content blew up because it pushed out to the New York audience it only took six month like when was some cuz I started traveling to where was I um Taiwan I went to Korea syney Melbourne and then just boom reach out and then yeah so you just do it right and then all and then in the US and then once you get a US audience [ __ ] most of my it's already us most of my people that buy my stuff America so and then you

get a US agent yeah and then us agents have so much more than New Zealand agents damn oh like yeah the money over there is so different and then also like we've got a kid in our team who lives in New York yeah he's 19 and in January he made $10,000 from Tik Tok damn just from putting his Tik toks out really yeah that's cool yeah but you know what I mean like yeah it's just like um you make money from anything this this day year which is why you just shouldn't chase the money yeah I'm I'm not really chasing Mone obiously I want more money but I'm not that's not my first thing yeah I know what you mean by that yeah yeah yeah

yeah it's just an interesting concept cuz it's like if you're putting out like you're doing like the courses and stuff like that but those could take a lot of energy yeah like lots of energy I you'd finish this course you started I love coaching though that's one thing I didn't realize I was like H it depends on the person too but yeah I wonder if there's like a a in-person event that's for R coaching R so I was thinking so that's what I want to do next year is that Australian guy Vietnamese dude who does presentation coaching have you seen this guy do youing Ving M ohing the glasses guy he used to be a magician did he I I used to learn magic of

him just like kind of C trick yeah and speak he sells out he sells like quite EXP of tickets for go go look at what he sells his courses for but they're all in person and you'll get like 100 people there what does he teach kind lie just damn yeah he went from Magic I usually watch his channel yeah I he charges a few thousand a ticket oh yeah he's doing [ __ ] good now he get 100 a few next to me I'm like whoa this guy what what's so good about his thing is that it doesn't take a big production yeah like he literally just goes to a hotel he's like hey I got 100 people coming can you serve all the catering I'm just

going to be up on here with a whiteboard and he charges like $3,000 a ticket gets 100 people there $3,000 ticket 300 grand for one day you know what I mean like it's it's such a good it's so different to selling a course short course you're right yeah and then you get to meet and interact with people all the time yeah yeah anyway why yeah that's why when you say ask my goal I I don't even cuz my life is so unpredictable now so I don't even know like I could be doing something else in the future but off still magic but like I never know what's going on like yeah yeah yeah I guess what I'm trying to say is like try finds the

focus yeah yeah like and then like go after it in my opinion like if I was you I'd be just trying to build the biggest audience possible because that you don't worry about what like it'll come yeah like the bigger your audience gets the opportunities that come after you like because it's different I wouldn't give the same advice to someone who was just an influencer yeah I wouldn't because it's not the same they don't get the same opportunities as an influencer yeah cuz all they can get is like a brand being like hey put our product into your video I get heaps of those but I just can't annoy them I'm like bro I'm not promoting like what the [ __ ] is this shower [ __ ] yeah

so I I should know hips with the email yeah I wouldn't they pay like I'm like it's only 100 I don't know it's not worth it it's not worth it it's not like what I do n yeah but when you've got a talent that's like really scalable in terms of its ability like for instance if you went to LA and did and blew up yeah it's there's no reason why someone give you a t show yeah I'm not saying that that's it I'm not like these are moonot ideas like don't put whole life on it but like it's different when you've got a talent it's so different it's so such different advice to people who are trying to build it as an influencer when you've

got a real talent yeah they're super marketable cuz you can take that make content out of it and that content sellable yeah that's the difference whereas like lifestyle Vlogs aren't sellable content you know it's not the same and the Vlog yeah welcome back to the Vlog no one gives a [ __ ] right only your small audience oh [ __ ] magic everyone gets Magic yeah true yeah that suspension of disbelief right of going holy [ __ ] how did that person do that yeah there some people you know it's 20 5 you got another trick for us to finish off theast let's go let's do one more um who thing what am I going to do you know let's try this we do on the camera yeah um okay let's

try oh yeah I want you to f off your first kiss yeah okay okay I imagine you with that person right now yeah yeah you guys going on a vacation where would you take this person to um we're going on vacation yeah like place or it could be like Park I don't know swimming where would you take this person to did you like your first kiss or how old were you when that happened I mean okay wait you to share don't say her name but if I'm going to put myself when I was that age into the a where would I take yeah yeah okay where would you take yeah McDonald's huh I was 11 so McDonald's maybe McDonald's McDonald w would you choose madna

like cuz I'm I was 11 okay um and when would you when what year would that be uh 98 1998 yeah 1998 now is there anywhere could know you could be with her at some fast food place at 1998 uh well no there's no idea I wasn't ever there wait before I came at you I woke down something for you I got a note for you yeah it's um I got this note I don't know can see it that this is stable if you if you have Lo this is all stable you can show the camera it's called prediction yeah stable in but yeah um can you can you do my view share who the first kiss Jenna Jenna and there's no way I could

met her before yeah can you rip out like just rip this open yeah yeah read there's something there and then I wrote your letter yeah and can you read nice and loud what do it say I am picturing a vacation to fast food that happened in 1998 and someone else here named Jenna love it love it I love could I ask a few shorts that we could do maybe yeah if you um if you were to ask him this question could you ask him could you give away one secret about magic one secret about magic like what do you mean way The Magicians you can't give the magician secret one one advice he wants you to tell us the magic trick teach us a magic

trick teach you a magic trick yeah if you could teach the camera them a magic trick no like this bro you can't give a magic magici it would take a while I don't know what trick you want to learn but I know so many trick maybe like yeah how about um a piece of advice to someone who wants to learn magic well you got to be confident first cuz um I used to teach one of my mate we used to bus GE I teach one of my mate and he will be copying most of my magic trick year and then I will always make double the amount in certain time and he's like and [ __ ] you make all that you probably just lie to me

I was like no it's just your personality cuz like he kind like yo you want to see some magic it's mostly your personality and then obiously you got to learn some skills and yeah man just be confident and then you can do it you don't need Clips bro you got heaps of Clips you don't all right bro thank you so much for coming on I appreciate it that was that hour went pretty fast I mean we had a few technical difficulties but I like how your reaction magic like oh that was cool I love it no I love it I love it I love it I love magic too much oh thank you man no I do I do actually I love it so much

the fast food things I love all that sort of [ __ ] I love like Darren Brown his stuff that's very Daren brownish I do a little bit but my way yeah it's more like seriously yeah yeah I love it all right bro thank you so much appreciate it