From Getting Bullied to Disney Movies - Jackie Cheng.

in today's interview we talk to Jackie Ching he is a muai fighter he's a stuntman actor content creator and today's conversation went somewhere I didn't think it would go which is into a lot of like I guess his spiritual philosophy on life at the moment and I think as a young 24-year-old man it's a really interesting spot to be in I remember when I was in that same position and what it taught me and we go into a few topics around uh I guess ideas that I evolved when I was his age and to where I am now and our differences in opinions at the different stages of life so if you're struggling with like motivation discipline trying to figure out your way through life

being bullied and how to overcome those sorts of things then this is a podcast to listen to all right man cool welcome to the podcast bro thank you good to have you here good to be here bro yeah thank you why don't you quickly introduce yourself and then we'll get into it sweet hey guys my name is Jackie Ching I'm 24 years old I'm a MTI fighter I'm a stunt man I run marathons and I also do content as well I love that I love I love that intro that's great one cuz I I've watched your content I've watched it for a little while now but I didn't actually I think I just watched all your skits right so like I didn't really know that

you know you the muai doing all the Dum stuff I kept that stuff pretty private you know like that was just stuff I didn't I just saw it as a job so I didn't think I needed to put it out there really so I think it's pretty cool cuz like the guys were in the brief that they gave me they like saw the stuff and like but he does this and he does that and all other crowd so um so we'll get into that but like I said to you off camera like take me back like when where did this content create part of your lifestyle when did you first start making things uh so when I was 8 years old it kind of started

off as watching TV shows you know like watching TV shows and watching Jackie Chan movies as a kid and so from there I just kind of pretended I had a camera cuz as a kid we don't have money so all we could do is pretend with our siblings and just pretend you have a game show by taking rubbish spins putting it there like a little game show taking pieces of paper and like making fake questions and answers you know so that's where it all kind of started I love that and then from there I got into editing when I was 10 years old making Facebook videos for like zombie shooting Nerf videos like those Nerf gun skits and stuff and from there just how how

wait wait yeah how at 10 years out old how did that come about uh so my mom brought my little sister an iPad yeah and I was like where's my iPad you know I'm the oldest but yeah I just used her iPad went through and I just saw people making videos on YouTube and I just kind of got interested in that as well plus I've always loved acting Jackie Chan and all that kind of stuff too so I was like how are these people doing this yeah surely I can do it too and there's like little kids out there doing it why can't I do it too you know so it just came from the he can do it why can't I yeah yeah yeah

that's all it is really yeah that's pretty cool so like how did you how did that first like couple years or year or so go on that Facebook video like was it was you just doing it some fun or like it was just for fun it was just cuz me and my siblings weren't allowed to leave the house like my mom was real strict on us staying in the house and making sure we were always safe all the time and so for us what can we do except just play on iPad and do that and games are kind of boring so as a kid games should be the most fun part but for me I just didn't really enjoy it as much I liked creating

things cool yeah so that's just where it all kind of came from me nice that's so young and then so like as yeah you grew up like where did that then take you what what was the next stages of your creation I found out about YouTube okay and then from there I started uploading like Lego videos on I still got them all like on my old ass YouTube channel of me making like Lego videos and then from Lego videos it went into little stunt videos with my little brother like we made a series called death fight one 2 3 4 5 where it was like different types of styles of martial arts fighting each other but they're like trash yeah you know it's like it's

like you can obviously see the punch doesn't land here and like the music doesn't match here the scenes don't continue properly there's no proper stunts like with 10 yeah so yeah from there yeah so I got into that and then I got into YouTube properly during school um kind of me and one of my mates kind of did all our Assessments in term one so for three other terms we could just mess around cool and so I just kind of got into YouTube vlogging from there and just did daily Vlogs at school yeah so yeah that's kind of where it came from M to be honest that's awesome and so when did it like when did it turn from uh just like a little hobby

into say you're like man this is this is it this is what I'm going to do moving forward uh cuz you do lots of stuff but like when did you like start to realize that actually can be an actor be a stunn person be a content creator uh was it all the way I've always bro I've always believed in myself like even when I was a kid and people were like bullying me and telling me that I couldn't do anything or looking at me strange or me saying like no trust me like in 5 years time if we do this now then we're going to be here in the future yeah people were like bro shut your ass up like you know as kids we

don't really have the concept of oh what's in the future what's next like how does this impact how we are but for me I'm like n if I want to be like this one day I got to do this you know so it's just the same with working out I started off doing what 100 push-ups a day as a kid and then from there now it's just kind of progressed to where I am now I always thought about longevity as a kid where do you think that came from that's not normal I mean it's still not normal like guys in our team now like we talk about that a lot actually about like planting the seeds now for like future stuff and like it's not

a normal human trait uh well as a kid when I was getting bullied yeah it was a lot of you can't do this you can't do that no no this know that and for me it was like I like proving people wrong you know I like and proving myself wrong as well why can't I do it got it why can you do it but I can't do that that's kind of where it all came from why can he do this but I can't do it yeah we're both human you bleed the same blood and that's why I fight as well yeah yeah you know it's the same you bleed the same blood why would I be scared of you we're both going to jump in

the ring and fight regardless if you win you win if I lose I lose it doesn't even matter you know it's it's facing that challenge it's doing the thing that you're supposed to do and know that you're supposed to do yourself but most people don't want to do it yeah they're kind of scared you know and that's and that's good that's fine because then that leaves room for people like us to grow even more right yeah so yeah that's how I see it really I love that I love that um so was that quite like was that quite hard growing up like that like when you look back at it or did you just always do you think it was quite young that you made

that decision to just have that mindset or do you remember it being pretty tough to push past those people saying you can't do stuff I've never really listened to what people thought of me anyways like regard like I used to be really selfless when I turned 15 I became a real selfless person yeah uh just caring about other people yeah but then I realized all of that was just coming back at me not for me and you know I was losing friends here and there and I was like why am I losing so many friends caring about so many people trying to do so many things for other people like say my family for example yeah and from there I just became selfish around 2122

yeah and just focused on just me yeah you know more me who cares about the noise who who cares about the it's just noise anyways you're going to do the thing you're supposed to do anyways regardless of the noise being there or not so why not just do it you save yourself the energy but just doing the thing you know and not listening to the noise yeah so that's just that's just my mindset with everything that's cool I like it it's interesting but let's explore a bit like so what so you had this as you said became more selfish Y how did that change like uh relationships with people uh it definitely changed a lot of relationships in terms of who my friends were going

to yeah be where I was going to be who was actually going to be close with me but uh I've lost a lot of friends I've even lost family uh but to me that's normal yep like I know the game I've watched a lot of documentaries on people that are trying to make it or people that have made it yeah and you tend to lose a lot of friends and a lot of people as you're trying to come up yeah but that's only because a lot of people they just don't support you and they don't believe in you and that's fine for me I'm like okay sweet as as long as you let me know now I can cut you off now I don't have

to worry about it anymore because I have the people that actually care about me around me and that's why it's better to have a small circle than like a large circle of people that you're like hey hey hey hey rather to have like three or four small friends that actually care about you rather than a whole group you know when you say you like you cut them off or like they're no you lost a friends or lost family in your mind like what does that mean like what does it mean to lose a friend or family what like what what's the interaction look like well the interaction just looks like less energy you know so for me I like to dig deep into everybody like

you I'd be like hey how's your day how are you how you doing this and that and sometimes I don't get the energy back I'm like ah this person doesn't really care about me or maybe they're just doing their own thing and I'm like sweet that's fine you're not meant to be in my life right now or you maybe you're just not meant to be in my life at all but for the ones that do ask or the ones that I ask the question to they tend to come back yeah yeah those are the people you want to keep around you the ones that ask you how are you how are you feeling what are you doing what are you up to bro you're doing

so good or bro you're doing so bad or you shouldn't be doing this or you shouldn't be doing that you want to keep those friends around because they're going to be honest you don't want to keep the yes men around if you get what I mean yeah yeah yeah yeah um do you so it's not really that there's like a conflict at the point of when you lost them just like okay stop yeah it's just stop just like there's no anger there's no jealousy there's nothing there it's just more okay like that's life yeah yeah for me life is just moving forward you know because why would you dwell on the past when you could look in the future if you get stuck in the

past you're going to bring that into your future that's so not good yeah yeah yeah no I like it it's it's a real interesting um position to take I think like I think I think if like you talked to a lot of my stuff that probably my staff that'll probably like say the similarities with the way that I think about things I think like the difference what I learned like when I was young I was kind of similar especially when I was about your age actually yeah actually maybe a little bit older I um I was the same thing like I started to no yeah I was like 28 or something 27 and I started to like worry about myself more y soed take um

I used to be like the party boy you know hang out with everyone and everything and I sort of started taking my life back and I lost a lot of friends as if you'd say of course because I was focusing on myself and I think what I then realized is that um the thing for me that changed probably in the last like three years Y is that I realized that like to be in a relationship with someone which is just like a friend family whatever I didn't need to be I didn't like I was never I didn't have to be on the same level as him and but I could still have a relationship and like I found out like with my brother's actually the

hardest yeah so when I first moved back to New Zealand and I started this business like a little over four years ago now 2019 and how's the business I mean the business has been going awesome right very congratulations buiness has been awesome like it was just me and my mat's B bedroom yeah nice and now you've seen it bro there's like congratulations bro looks like you made it work for yourself yeah and it's been crazy like I had all the ideas I knew I was going to do but like with my brothers I was like trying to tell them like I had all these ideas this is what you need to do blah blah blah I was trying to tell them and they weren't really

matching the energy or giving it back and they didn't they were just like whatever say you don't know what the [ __ ] you're talking about blah blah blah and it got me really upset like I was like well not upset but like I was like you [ __ ] idiots like why aren't you doing the thing blah blah blah and I kind of like put a lot of um they weren't matching it right like you say you what you giving out they weren't giving it back yeah and then it wasn't until later on that I was like actually uh it's 100% okay that they didn't match me and in fact like they shouldn't have matched me right like what made what made that c like it made me

realize that like um when you're at a Level Playing uh that I want to play at right like like the guys will tell you like my my ambition as a business owner is to be the richest person in the world and the reason isn't to have the money yep the reason is cuz like there is no real way to measure business success y so I've got an arbitrary number which is just have more than everyone else and at some point that's got to have some measure of success right course yeah definitely so it's like a score card right yeah and I was like if you're going to play at that level you play you can't play with anyone else because there is no one else

exactly but then if there's no one else then who is there then it's just you and then that made me realize well I don't want a life where it's just me because if I actually am going to be the best then no one can match your energy ever y because there is no one who could be better up there with the best cuz the best is one mhm and so I think that's what changed and then like my wife and I um obviously there was she was involved and I was like Well I obviously want you always around yeah and we're doing this together and I was like I don't want to be in the life I don't want to get all the success Y

and not have friends and family around but I also knew none of my friends and family will ever be on my level yep they just never will be yeah they'll never match my energy they'll never care about the things I care about the way I care about them because only you're living your own life and so you'll only understand what you're going through and how you're feeling everyone else will be like why don't you just do this why don't you just do that you're like bro it's not that easy like the stuff I'm going through is so hard you know and they'll continue to do that forever my mom still does it my brother still the my family my friends my staff yeah of course

I mean sometimes my staff are just like can't we just chill for a bit like can't we just like you know or do we always have to always evolve yep you'll be your own worst critic bro honestly and so what it taught me is that like actually um there's no point like in me uh losing these friendships and stuff because like every I I'll lose all of them otherwise of course yeah and then I'll be real lonely one day and like that's not I think just as like age I realized that like if I really want to go for this there's no one's going to be able to stay there so I have and like that pretty arrogant thing to say but like you have

to just kind of be like yeah well I'm going to hang out with people who will never want the same things I want and like they never match my energy they'll constantly criticize what I do yeah but that's okay do you have a in go uh for me personally like so being the richest person in the world is like a milestone achievement of like well to get to that point I must have done something big yeah the second sort of Milestone after that if there was one it was to have the largest company yeah in the world uh by market cap yeah from a business perspective yeah but actually like I already got my Ang go bro yeah no that's good I'm already doing whatever

I [ __ ] I want whenever I want you're already doing what you want to do with my wife we can do whatever we want like our life's great like actually actually [ __ ] awesome like every day like my wife like cracks up sometimes cuz she'll like turn over and I'm like just lying on bed smiling she's like you smile like my life's so [ __ ] good like actually so [ __ ] good even as grumpy as I get like my life's actually the best yeah so there is no end goal cuz I already got it but I have Milestones of like achievement like I'm real ambitious like you want stuff yeah but yeah it's just an interesting thing like because I used to be very much like you like I

had lots of friends who I'm like bro [ __ ] [ __ ] off or keep up and then I got to a point where I was like No One's Gonna Keep up like they're just never going to keep up and every time I've like in this business Journey over the last 5 years I've had like peers with me along the way and then they stopped and I keep going now they're no longer peers and that's life that's so normal but normal I didn't want to lose them as friends y they just were no longer peers yeah and that's okay but people take it as oh he doesn't want to be my friend anymore and oh he's off doing his own thing he's never got time for me and

this and that but it's not that it's bro we've both got different lives we're both turning into adults now you know we're entering the phase where we kind of need to find our own thing and do our own thing now what what's the problem you know yeah yeah exactly can I not appreciate you from afar and you just appreciate me from afar and we just do our own thing or is it always got to be a you're ditching me to go and make a million dollars and I'm right here doing the same thing every single day you know it just stems to them not doing the things they want to do and that's why they're so mad about it their own insecurities exactly yeah I

think I think um people eventually they they get over it themselves they grow up as well MH I think there's a lot of like jealousy when you're younger I think the older you get both you and other people start to chill out a bit Yeah I think like over the last four or five years you know I was like 32 when we started this and now I'm 37 and even in that time frame like how much I've chilled out about things and how much my friends have chilled out over my family you kind of just grow up and you're like yeah is it even worth it yeah yeah but but I tell you right now if I was doing this when I was 24 your

age y I'd still be T Stone field [ __ ] [ __ ] you bro you [ __ ] off you know like no I get that you but it's is interesting yeah okay I'm going to come back to this but I want to get the rest of the story so when did this like when did the um the attention start coming to you like when did this like first start like people like you know quite a lot of viewership and you're starting to attract a lot of um people watching your [ __ ] uh I was I think I was 16 17 cool yeah I started on YouTube so the tension was locally there like with where I was South Oakland right at school vlogging everyone around me was supporting me you

know and then a lot of people that weren't supporting me either you know so that's normal for me I just the first time I ever had attention yeah it was weird yeah for me it was like a oh now I have a little ego what's this yeah oh this is cool let me roll with it a little bit and then when I got my first gig on um Disney Mulan yeah and 2018 doing extra fighter work and all that I kind of had this ego of like [ __ ] I'm better than anyone else everyone else you know like yeah yeah yeah um but then it kind of hurt a lot of people around me and so I took a little step back and just kind of

went wait I'm the same as you we're both humans so who who cares like who even cares you know yeah like for me it was like who cares like regardless of what you think or what I think we're both human anyways and we should just live our lives and do our thing like how you are you're just doing your thing bro you're 32 you started this company by yourself you're doing your own thing y even if your brother was to tell you don't do that or why are you doing that you'd still do it anyways because you'd want to do it you know so it's like that it stem from that really okay so you're like what 18 something like that doing Mulan something about

that age yeah and then um and then what that what after doing that like what was that experience like like wait first of all how did that experience come um so I went I left school and then I went to UNI for one day and I was like what's the point of this like why do I need to go to UNI for acting I kind of looked ahead in time and went if I waste these three years for me personally like not saying everyone should just drop out of school and go and pursue something but for me I was like why am I even going to UNI to pursue acting when actors half the actors that I've seen or like researched about didn't even go

to acting school I could just go out and do it myself it's more about experience anyways yeah yeah and so for me I just got an agent and then one week later got Mulan really yep funny just like that and from there I've just you know you meet people that have the same energy as you when you're doing the same things that you love and that they love as well and from there you just build the connections cool you know and that's what came from that after do Milan um for a year or two I was just kind of yeah like just doing little gigs here and there you know meeting people here and there just kind of yep okay cool yeah but then after

that I was like bro there has to be more to life than just chilling out you know there has to be more than just doing one movie yeah but yeah for me I've always chased more like you I want more I want to chase more I want to do was more what were you going after everything it's nothing specific I just want to be the best at everything that I'm doing for myself yeah you know not just like I want to be better than you at you trying to reach a million dollars in your company or anything it's just I might not reach your level but as long as I know I've done it for myself I don't even care about everyone else around me

like I don't care what they think I've made it work for myself I've made $200,000 in one year that's for me yeah I'm happy as an example you know and you would make a million dollars but I would never compare you to me because of course that's where people go sad and angry and jealous and depressed is when they start to compare people and I'm like but why do you have to compare people why like do is it something that like cuz you brought it up a few times now and I wonder like is it something that like you did a lot or did people do it a lot to you that it became such a talking point for you uh what What's it comparing

yourself to others I used to compare myself a lot you know uh to when I was 15 and I had this big depression phase yeah that was when I was comparing myself to people why am I 15 years old and I'm not an America acting this and that why am I 15 years old but this guy's only 10 and he's acting in a movie like this and that and that just kind of all brought me down as well and I saw this quote it was like is it comparison is a theft of Joy y from there I was like what does that even mean and so I kind of studied into that I was like oh I I need to like train myself to not

compare myself to you you got better shoes than me I got to not compare myself to that or this guy's got better shorts than me I've got to not compare myself to that you know just stick to my own lane do my own thing regardless of if you're better than me and you're much better than me I just stick to my own lane I just do my own thing do you um do you do you still find it uh something you consciously have to remind yourself now is that say that you've like fully bled out of you or it say that you still find [ __ ] I'm I'm I'm comparing myself to someone else now I don't compare myself to anyone else except myself yesterday yeah

you know that's the only person I compare myself to because yesterday I did 100 push-ups less 6K is less three videos less $100 less five trainings less than I did Yer yesterday but today I did it so I'm better than I was yesterday that's the only person I compare myself to yeah um is it something that like like like for me it's quite interesting when I hear people talk a lot about it's like um thieves who have to keep telling everyone they didn't steal the thing like it's real easy to tell they're the thief yep and like the idea is like the thing you talk about the most is the thing you're struggling through the most y so like do you think it's something that

like you still get a lot of people comparing themselves to you is it still a big part of your life for you to have it so front and center of your mind right now to be honest I don't even know because I don't even listen to anyone else around me like the only people I kind of have around me are the people that are trying to do their own things as well and we both just happen to be in the same place same time same industry yeah doing the same things but different businesses different this and that so I don't really compare myself or have other people compare themselves to me cuz if you do you kind of see it and you kind of feel

it straight away if someone decides they want to compare them if I in the same and I can feel this guy like comparing to the socks that I'm weing you know you can usually sense when someone's trying to do that to you so for me if I do sense that I don't really say anything I just kind of avoid that person for good that's like what I I don't know if I talked to you about it but that's something I still kind of struggle with it's like comparing myself to like family and stuff like that yeah it's a normal thing for humans to do is to comp is comparison it's not always a um it's not always a super negative thing to do it's not

bad no it's like um sometimes like it's okay to have like measures like like and also just to see what's possible y cuz often if you don't compare you under sell M so like a lot of people will be like oh there's no way I could do this thing or they don't no no they don't even do that they don't even understand that it's possible y actually like cuz I come from South Oakland too right I'm from Mador I grew up M I went to Roos College yeah I grew up out there my whole life right yeah mean I was from um malford Street Bank um and like we have like Carter my nephew who's also from manad he works here as a um intern

with us Y and it's been interesting watching him because he's like me when I was his age of like he's starting to realize like what's possible in life yeah yeah he he thought I'm probably just going to get a job as a laborer and just like help some dudes out maybe get a trade maybe not there's anything wrong being a Tradesman but like he didn't know the options and now he seen other things that are possible he's like [ __ ] man I could like really do some cool [ __ ] here right and like have a massive career and he's like 17 his whole life has changed right that's good yeah yeah and it's been cool for out for like these guys like especially like you know guys

like Connor and other other guys who like know that Connor is like from a super wealthy family but like much more privileged family than Carter's family for sure and so they already he already has a lot more options in his view because he's got a family who's done so much different things and a lot of the guys are similar they've got these like quite places they've come from and so where where my point is is that by having these people you can compare yourself to you actually then open up like oh [ __ ] can you actually do that is that a thing possible man that's [ __ ] cool I want to do similar stuff but if you and and you did the same like watching YouTube watching

Facebook videos right you saw these things you don't the the bad point comes is where you now look at yourself as a worse person cuz you don't have it y that's the thing that's toxic or if you don't have it at the same time the time frame is a hard one yeah people looking at these young guys like they watch these young guys on YouTube blowing up like people look at like sidan boys or you know they look at all these guys like [ __ ] we could do this like why can't we be there and it's like it's just not your time and they're different places and different locations but what I like what for me is better is like I'll look at someone like Gary

VE for instance and be like bro that's like it's possible yeah like 10 years ago that guy had was working in a shared Works Space and now he's got 4 and a half thousand stuff across n officers across the world ah I don't need to compare myself going man am I keeping Pace with what he did but I can go [ __ ] like actually our agency could be Global like it could be [ __ ] huge we could turn over half a billion dollars in Revenue in 10 years time yeah but coming from south Oakland bro there's no way that that's a that's a possibility right like where abouts in South Oakland you man oh Bro [ __ ] you know what I'm talking about then so where you where

you stay around in Le bank is where I us do you know where um before the bridge there the St John's that's where I used to go as a kid so I just live down the road there yeah like along Al yeah I went to AC yes shout AC which one Alon College oh Alon College I was there my whole life bro yeah which primary school did you go to I went to the gardens and then I was at Everglade as well I was on the other side tracks was on off Park um but yeah you get it right like when you come from that area there's no way to think that you could one day have a business that turns over half a billion

dollars a year there's just no possible way you could even think that's a possibility there's just no way but by being able to see these guys and comparing yeah you're like [ __ ] maybe I can and so I think that I think there's like something there something I learned actually cuz I was like you I didn't want to compare myself to other people because I thought and actually it hurts if you start to do comparisons CU you're like man I wish I had that thing you become a really bitter person bro like you start to [ __ ] on other people that are actually doing really good yeah and I feel like you only compare one way you only compare yourself not being good enough you never compare

the other way like oh my God I'm doing so well yeah exactly you never look at the people that you into school of who are [ __ ] doing nothing with their lies and goo like you never go because you always make an excuse like oh yeah but he's useless or they don't do this or they care it's like yeah but like that's the average we're not the average they're the average um so I think it's like an interesting point to like understand and I I you fundamentally get it but I think like uh words like are real powerful words are 100% powerful you you can't even tell if you tell yourself that you're stupid your body can't tell the difference so it will automatically think that

you're stupid yourself if you tell your smart every sing it's like positive affirmations right% you have to tell yourself bro I'm I'm the best I'm doing good like I've got everything I really want right now I should be happy I'm happy like I use it a lot of the guys too like often like maybe not so bluntly but I'll I'll choose the language right yeah because like I I don't want people to say not to compare themselves to others what I want them to say is that like I don't need to be that other person you know yeah yeah 100% I don't need to feel bad cuz I'm not where they are what I want to do is like [ __ ] how how did like how

did they do that and then you learn from it Y and then you're like okay I see the steps they took steps they took I'm going to combine it use my situation and take my own steps forward yeah but I think there's sometimes danger in going like I don't compare myself cuz otherwise like how do you know you're doing anything good how do you know like like you got you're like it's good for me but like what what does that measure come from how do you know what's good for you like where do you see it like what do you what what do we think healthy relationships are how do we know that oh cuz we see them we see them yeah or we see

successful stuff that we want to have or want to be part of we can't help to not like it's impossible for humans to not be part of society yeah like that's an impossible thing you can't just like oh I'm just not going to be part of it even the act of not being part of it is still being part of it you're still there life of game you're still playing it even if you don't want to play it you're still in the game till you die exactly so you might as well play the game right that's just how it is yeah so without comparing yourself what's the goals what are you trying to do what's what's your goals my goal the same doing everything whatever

I'm doing right now I just want to be the best that I I don't really have a goal mind but for me one day I just want to have kids I just want to be a good dad one day that's it that's it that's where it ends yeah if I can do everything if I can show that everything's possible like how you saying just planting the seeds showing that it's possible bro I'm fine with that yeah I don't really have a goal to be the best at this or better than someone at this or that I just want to be the best for me really you know like at everything I do yeah what are some of those things that you the things that you

said in the intro or what else uh like what I'm doing now like fighting yeah I train I want to be the one that trains the hardest that's why I train 9 hours a day I want to be the best at that for myself yeah uh content I want to make the best content I think is good for myself so I put it out there and people just happen to like it that's all it is really yeah so little stuff like that yeah what are some of the like outside of training and content is there other things that you're actively working on to be that you like that you love and trying to push forward with uh just I like to get I like to

talk to my friends yeah yeah or people that are around me because I like to get to know people you know even the if someone's strange or they're weird usually people avoid those people for me like to sit down for a whole day and ask so where did you come from where like where did you start how's life like why are you the way you are and the nicest way possible if you know what I mean I like to know why they are the way they are and that gives me a more respect for them not that I don't respect them already but for me it's like no no one else knows that cuz they didn't even bother to get to know you yeah but

I took the time to sit down and actually get to know you so for me I have more respectful you know just sitting here listening to you talk because I know like what you're thinking how you work where you came from what you're doing and for me it makes me happy knowing other people cuz I was always that weird kid no one wanted to talk to me no one wanted to do anything they don't want to have me involved in anything I didn't get invited to parties I didn't going anywhere I just stayed at home yeah you know so it was like little stuff like that yeah yeah so it's your way of like going I don't want the what the world did to me

for others that come into your world yeah 100% yeah so I just yeah I just want to I want to be there I just want to be there tell me about the career side of it like M like how are you sustaining this lifestyle how am I balancing it no sustaining it like you know like where does the Revenue income come from uh so that comes through sponsors through like Tik Tok and Instagram so that's where it's coming from for me at the moment so that's purely how you're sustaining this lifestyle just all off that like brand sponsorship or if I'm working stunt or acting then you know obviously we get paid through that too so cool how much is that side of the business

to stunt and acting is that still something that you s to trying work towards or is it saying that you're getting a bit more regular gigs now uh ever since 2019 yeah when I started to like you know look at myself and self-reflect a little bit I kind of focused on it a little bit more yeah uh from when I was 16 it was more oh yeah I just want to be an actor I want to move to LA and do this and that like yeah but there was no goal it was just that yeah and then so I had to look at it from a realistic side of view I actually went to America when I was 19 and lived there for a while

yeah yeah um but then ended up getting into a SHO shoting chased by Coyotes chased by Mountain yeah for real yeah I got my friends were there with me too it was insane uh there was a vlog of us getting into the shooting it was insane so for me I moved back to New Zealand I was like oh well that go there goes America for now um I'm not going to go there at the moment so I just build myself in New Zealand why not just build myself in New Zealand first build my credibility before I go so then I actually have something to show to people yeah rather than just going there with nothing and then setting myself up with nothing with people that

don't even know who I am why not just stay here first bu it here then go you know and that's what I'm starting to do a little bit more now so it's getting a bit more consistent instead of that work or is it still like a bit few and far between for now um it's been pretty consistent Co for two years now yeah man awes so I've been pretty lucky just both film and TV or mostly film just film and yeah mostly film uh TV every now and then we just had a show come out called me babies on tvnz oh okay cool that that's amazing too as well um are you acting that stunting both both oh okay cool nice nice yeah so uh

yeah got pretty lucky to be involved with that but it just comes from doing everything 100% you know whatever you're doing you have to just do it 100% before I got into content I worked my job fulltime for 3 months every single day for 3 months straight yeah before I like I was like okay I'm going to quit my job now I've got a little bit of money saved I can quit my job try this content thing and if it doesn't work bro I can always come back to my job cuz I asked my manager I was like oh if I leave and this doesn't work out can I come back like yeah yeah you can always come back he still ask me to come

back now where was it uh it's at no Leeming okay Co I was working there for a while then he was like oh bro you can always come back ask me to come back now I'm like ret for workers bro you'll always get a job yeah it's not hard to always find another job if you fall back on may as well give a [ __ ] a go like you can always chase your dreams in regardless if it fails or not at least you you can always go back yeah but people think oh if it doesn't succeed then my life goes down from here yeah maybe it's just a Learning lesson you wouldn't have known what you known if you didn't go through that but now you

do yeah start back here and go again now you know what to avoid just find another path now but people just think ah this way didn't work so I'm going to give up now yeah and that frustrates me because there's always a way if if someone's doing it it's possible right yeah yeah yeah yeah and not everyone has the same path that they lead in when they go yeah it's always a different path but people think no you did it this way so if I don't follow it this way and it doesn't work for me and I fail bro I can't do it yeah but they don't know that they have their own Journey they have their own path as well that they need to

go through themselves but people don't get that no no no and look that again I think you just said the answer right they they they do get they will get it but they got to take their own journey to I figure that out yeah you know like that's kind of what I was saying before about my brothers and everything like you can't tell them you can't it's no point of saying they don't get it yeah it's they're on their own journey to figure it out you know like although you might try to do it my way it doesn't work and you're like it doesn't work you don't get it it's like yeah you could say that but like actually they're on a path to figure

it out yeah that's a that's a way better way of saying I'm going to take that now yeah and I think it's just like a I think you would have figured you you get that I think me just articulating that way you already understand it so yeah no plus you have way more experience so it's better for me to shut up and learn off you it's the best bro I love to shut up and just listen to people that are much better than me because that's the only way I learn but it's like you're saying like it's the same thing it's the same thing it's it's this is why it's like an interesting topic to have cuz even you saying that you're you're on your

journey part of your journey was to hear me say they're back to you for you to figure it out right exactly and I think that's the interesting thing like people talk about like everyone's on their own Journey but then they'll say the butt but there is no butt everyone's just on their own Journey like there is no but oh but you know you'll figure it out or you'll get that no like they're just on their own Journey you can't you can't add anything to that conversation like you can't be like oh you don't get it or whatever cuz there is no there is no other thing they're just on this line and you can't take them off it yeah like there's no way they're on

it they're going to find their own way yeah and so you know even you saying oh you know I got to listen to these people yeah maybe yeah doesn't matter if you do or not it doesn't matter cuz like whatever happens will happen like you you'll do it or you won't do it there's no point in like dwelling on it y like you say you said earlier um okay tell me then um so you're sustaining yourself with like some acting gigs some stunt work bit of social content sponsorships and stuff um over the next like sort of like one to two years or 6 to 12 months y like what like have you got some like you know you're pretty ambitious so like what are

those goals you're trying to tick off from like an acting perspective a stunts perspective I can read you what I wrote the start of the Year amazing love that love someone who pulls out goals yeah I always do it I do it year just you have to like we do it as a team yeah yeah you have to but yeah we do it quarterly as well yeah so I have so I always have the quote the harder you work the luckier you get nice nice first of J you know like right at love it 8:00 p.m. so yeah just have at least four to five more High fights just as a goal for myself travel through to five countries star in four to five movies

model at least three to four times uh do my own film which I'm yeah currently in editing at the moment which is cool cool awesome do three to four podcasts fight Thailand again which I'm doing next month own more than four businesses which is you know so hard to do but I'm trying my best obviously yeah uh get my own place and yeah just like little goals like that and then how much money I want to make for myself personally I keep that for myself so okay okay um you don't have to answer this but why do you keep that bit to yourself about money the money because money to me it's it's it's pretty evil I reckon it's pretty evil because people use it

in such an evil way and then if someone says they got more than someone else people end up dying and this and that and I just don't want to get involved that I'd rather just go yeah I make money that's about it I don't need to tell you how much I make or why I make this much because what's that going to do for you yeah you know if I can show that I can use it in a way to what what do you think if there was like um a young kid like you he's 15 getting bullied people picking on him and he's like man how do I find this way out doesn't think there's any way then he he's your story and here's

what you earn he's like ah hey maybe I can follow a similar path at least maybe not the same one obviously cuz we just said what if that is the inspiration he needs to get out of the r Eason what money just idea that there's possible to live well you know because for me I've always I've never really lived by money so it's like if I do the things I love now maybe the money will follow later that's just from there that's how I've live if I do what I love now maybe the money will follow and if I doesn't I always find something and there is like that's a that's like um it's relevant for people for certain people right because everyone thinks of

money differently y but some people like genuinely need to understand like just the way their brains work right some people like quite like we did this thing we do this thing in our um team called color energies and it's sort of it's like personality profiles but it's about communication Styles yeah and how what things they need to be able to make a decision Y and some people need they call them blue they need data and you can have whatever philosophy you want on money but they need data they need to see like oh so I can support myself doing this yeah I need the evidence yeah and you're someone like me who's like a bit more Visionary right like a bit more like high in

the sky like if I can believe it I can make it y but like quarter of my team out there yeah they tell you to get [ __ ] because they can't do it but it's not their fault they're not they've got their strengths that they're better at than what I am but for them to make a decision they have to be practical about it they have to be quite solid and going oh okay I get it so this guy's making it's just cool he's Mak 100 Grand let's just say yeah he's Mak 100 Grand [ __ ] okay that's a viable option I'm I'm this weird kid who like gets picked on but actually I love doing these things is it right to double down on them and

now they're able to see these other people these Heroes that they can look at and go [ __ ] okay I don't need to be that guy y but like we said at the beginning like you now gave them options yeah you know so I wonder that like it's ain't it's ain't that we like my approach to it is full transparency y like our um like the team I don't share their stuff publicly because I don't make the decisions for them but internally all their salaries are transparent they all know what each other earn there's a there's a [ __ ] spreadsheet they all they you know they're I'll you right now it's all there the P now like the amount of money that we generate last year we

did 2 2.4 million congrats Cass is 4.8 million look it's it's congrats like but like revenue is one thing yep and profits another thing how much money I actually get a whole another thing I don't get 2.4 million I tell you that [ __ ] much tell you I don't get that much um obviously it's time goes on I'll get more and more otherwise I wouldn't put as much effort in obviously one day one day I hope I get 2.4 million in one year hope hopefully in times more yeah and that's that's that's why you reinvest but like the thing I think about money is that when you start to look at it as being evil it it forever holds you it's forever got control of you

yep and whether or not you try to say it doesn't it does because you've got this mental glitch in your head yeah that money controls me because if I talk about it I get in trouble yeah and that's why like the more transparent you are I think is that no like it's like um I always think of it like B rabbit and 8 Mile right yeah all right yeah so you're putting all your [ __ ] up on out yeah now all your weaknesses are out there for everyone they can't come at you true true they can't come at you cuz they there's like no one can judge me in my business cuz they like everything's out in the open yeah they can't ever go I wonder

how much he's making bro I I I leaked our budget to the world yeah and just gave it to everyone yeah and so I think there like a weird relationship and like I said it a lot in people from South Oakland actually is that they never talk about money and it just keeps them poor CU they don't actually understand like what's possible Y and then they'll look at something like oh a million bucks they'll think that's heaps and like for a lot of people it is for a lot of people it's [ __ ] shitloads and like I'm not naive to that but like actually you can't even buy a house in New Zealand if you got a million bucks yeah you know what I mean so

it's actually not that much like the basic necessity of life you can't buy unless you got a million dollars but a lot of people think a million dollar is a lot of money but actually just to own a home you need that much yeah facts yeah look good you get a loan and whatever but still at some point you have to earn a million dollars actually if you get a loan you probably have to ear $2 million to pay off the million you know what I mean so like it's just something to be consider of like for yourself like um if you keep the money as a secret Y and as a and and and you think that if I talk about it it becomes

a problem then it'll always have a hold on you and it'll always it'll always like grip on yep it's like Voldemort right like if you don't talk about vort then you w't come but that's not true like the more like in Harry Potter and a lot of those movies books when you don't talk about the thing it be you give it power y because now it's like the fear of it is what gives it power and also Harry Potter's a shitty reference but no one talks about Voldemort and then he's able to play in the dark and you SE in lots of movies you don't talk about the bad guy and the bad guy can shift in the dark true no one can see it

right is the same with money like yeah people always like think of it heart it's a root of all evil and whatever yeah but it's only that because like the those with it keep it a secret yeah and those without it are too embarrassed to talk about it yeah I mean I talk about it with all my friends and the people I work with you know cuz or business people that I work with I mean so for me it's it's nice to share it with those people that you already work with or friends that you're close with but publicly it should never be the goal if you want to get into something like acting you know for or content you know why would you get

into content for the money because if the money doesn't come and you're going to give up on it but if you do the content because you love it you're going to keep doing it regardless cuz I've been doing content for since I was eight yeah I never did it for the money you know and then money just started coming in when I was what 2122 and yeah from there I've just I'm still doing the same things living the same life yeah you know I'm just got a little more now I can invest so I definitely say invest early you know if if you're a kid out there watching this bro start investing early yeah like it's never too late to start investing especially right now

yeah that's the best time to what uh what is that like not that you're going to give Financial advice yeah I'm not I'm no financial advisor you invest how do you invest uh so I just invest in stocks shares obviously crypto you know stuff like that yeah I'm to that okay um yeah I think it's I think it's an interesting conversation I think it'ses conversation and we probably don't have heaps of time for because kind of cut me off but like it's I I find it a fascinating like uh topic to hear how people feel about money CU it's a taboo topic y it's one of the three big ones right politics religion and money everyone struggles to talk about one of those three Y

and for me uh um money's like the one I just never have had any problem talking about I never had any money yeah like I grew up poor like I didn't have any money like so but then it's quite interesting because I grew up poor with other people and they also can't talk about money but then I can so it's not about being poor it's just like I had this weird relationship with it where I love to know about it yeah and I purely look at it as a tool now like it's Pur only a tool it's only so therefore it doesn't me it doesn't mean anything so therefore like the reason I can talk so openly about it and publicly about it is cu

it's like it' be like talking about my hammer is the same thing I'm my hammer that's never looked at it like that but that's cuz like people always go oh it's like a tool it's like yeah what you tell everyone about your Hammer if you're a builder Wen you so why aren't you talking about the money if you're an investor that's interesting way of looking at it it's the same thing right and I think like we had this conversation I think it was with um who did we have this conversation about money was it like Kus or something can't remember who it was but like it was like one of the First episodes we had I remember having this to someone about like money you

shouldn't make content for money cuz that's dumb because it pays nothing for ages until it pays right and even when it starts paying it's not a lot until your KSI and you launch them [ __ ] you know but like um um when you are when you start to think of money as a tool properly it actually becomes you have no emotional connection to it no one can hurt you with money you can even be hurt around the topic of it like I can I can just like even with these guys when I'm telling them not to spend or whatever it's never emotional it's just purely the money's not there they want to pay rise there is Noone yeah you see where do you going to get

them pay rise from yeah like it's not I'm not doing this emotionally like it's just isn't there like when he wanted a pay rise last year it took him a year to like build a business case and he presented me a business case and I was like yeah fine business case makes sense you can have your pay R yeah like it's not emotional like and then what it means is that you can scale your money real fast yeah facts not feelings bro that's the only way to do it and but that's wor everything Right facts not feelings if you do everything with your feeling you're not going to do anything and if you do everything by the fact you'll be fine yeah I think like

the way I look at it is like um your feelings or your emotions guide you but your the facts give you the plan you know like I wouldn't be doing this business of facts cuz there's better ways to make money MH but um I wanted to do it yeah you know there was a passion behind this sort of [ __ ] making content and all that and I suck at making content that's why I got to these guys to make content for me but I love the world like I've always loved film I've always love TV I've always Lov uh anime and cartoons and all that sort of shirt yeah and video games right and so I've always wanted to be able to make content um so

I got a passion like my my feelings led me this way but then it was the facts of knowing how to run a business that got me to do it the right way if that makes sense yeah no I that yeah no that's interesting yeah tell me about the muai that's interesting uh so where did that come from uh well discipline right yeah for me it was something I was always scared of you know facing another person in the ring so why not do it yeah that's it cool yeah just and how long have you been doing it now uh I've been doing it for 3 years now where where do you train out of I train out of King's Academy okay in the city

so yeah I drive from R to the city every single day yeah nice but yeah you love it's worth the gas because I love it so much bro cuz for me not everyone gets the experience that you know standing in the ring with your hand raised up everyone sharing your name when you're winning you know because there was that potential chance that you could lose yeah and it's right there and then and also if you didn't train hard enough it shows you know the progress will show when you actually fight and that's why I love it so much cuz it's just it's just Raw it's real and raw that's it you can't hide once you're in the ring you can't hide that oh yeah I

don't feel like doing 20 push-ups today that will show in the ring I don't want to run today that will show you know if you're cardio you gas out but that will show I couldn't be stuffed turning up to class today that will show in the ring too you know so that's why I love it you can see it you can see the people that actually decide they want to work hard for it and that's why I love it how many fights you had so far this year uh I've had zero so far far yeah I've broke my nose um oh [ __ ] okay in March I think yeah yeah I broke my nose in March and then so I had to take time off to

heal it so that's why I'm going to Thailand to hopefully get all those fights back up okay so you're going to have a few while you're there yeah Co so yeah it's going to be so fun yeah how long are you going for just a month just just a month yeah just me and some boys you have five fights in the month uh I'm going to fight here next I've got a fight in one month in New Zealand and then I'm going to go over there and just fight a bunch of times cuz why not right yeah yeah cool I love it my um one of my best mates uh rodri he's a trainer at um in grin Y and uh so I I train

him him a couple days a week is that Knox yeah yeah yeah yeah Roger Roger maxan yeah so he's my best mate grown up yeah and um he so I'm not a fighter I'm not a fighter don't put us on record I'm not a fighter but he gets me to do some [ __ ] like today he's going to get me to do some pad work yeah but every once in a while he'll get his son and like the other boys the young boys like who are like 18 and he's just like I'll just beat him up and he just doesn't a [ __ ] with me yeah and I have these 18-year-old kids who just like absolutely beat on me all the time and the other day I

think it was Monday I was doing some kicking stuff or whatever anyway I'm I'm getting so old like the last two days my knee just so sore just walking on it um it's I've always been like someone who's like done germ or whatever rug played rugby for my life or whatever but like the fighting stuff [ __ ] my body can't handle it day yeah no fair it's so hard but it's cool fun have you do you know rod have you before we've just done a film and uh we've used nox foit before and that's been one of our locations for S so that's how I know that area oh yeah I should definitely introduce he's cool dude like so he used to be um Asia Pacific

uh welterweight Jam yeah and um so he used to like when Dan was Dan hooker was starting his career yeah those boys used to like come stay with me in Australia like sleep in my couch and stuff and um when they first started kicking off but then Rod so they they all ended up on the UFC's like um you know USC used to have like a reality TV show what was it called USC looking for f Ultimate Fighter yeah so R Rod was on that one of the seasons and the only reason he quit is cuz uh he got full custody of his son he found out he had a son uh I think he kind of knew but he got some girl pregnant when

they were young and then she came out anyway he um I don't really know the full story but anyway he got full custody of his son and it sort of took his career back because he's been a dead yeah but now he just like he trains um he's got a gym and he trains a lot of people but it's cool to watch these kids like do it like what I was the reason I was like tapping into it's like the discipline that it comes from learning to fight Y is crazy Y and when I was a kid we used to do boxing I used to do boxing in taond do and um the idea was that if you learned all these stuff people thought you'd

become a dangerous person because you'd fight but actually it's like the opposite happens right like when you know you don't you know you're going to [ __ ] Crush that person there's no point in starting something right facts do you like how does that change since doing it as as a person because you're obviously someone who like people you know I you didn't really say you got picked on but you know you had a tough childhood uh yeah I've been picked on my whole life bro you know as a kid yeah uh getting bullied picked on even bashed but that's just that's normal for me that's normal that's the life I grew up with for me that's normal so then now doing this like how is it

change is that how's that change that perspective of that cuz it must be way when I was getting bullied I was always scared of that kid that was bullying me cuz he was much bigger but now as a fighter I love I always see the big guy or you know whoever it is and I love to fight them you know it's the challenge of bro I could actually beat this guy this guy could actually beat me yeah but if I don't do it I won't ever know yeah so I might as well go out there and try that's all it is yeah yeah it's like you like he could beat me yeah but what if I could beat him yeah yeah yeah so it's just

so I'm just going to go and partner up with you now we're just going to go do some CTE sparring and go as hard as we can and see who wins that's all it is yeah that's funny yeah so I just love War I just love it yeah I see the biggest guy I'm like bro let's do it why not you know you could beat me yeah I could beat you have you seen do you watch the UFC not a lot but I know I know enough yeah did you watch the max Holloway and Justin G Fight no oh bro in one second difference that's all it takes is one second difference you never know who could win yeah that's all I love yeah so

it's that chance that chance in competition 100% yeah yeah interesting um all right so got a few fights on you got a bit of a goals list uh how do you feel your tracking on that goals list good I'm been really good so pretty happy yeah yeah what happens at the end of the year if like how do you feel when you don't achieve stuff what happens that's okay I just do it next year yeah okay yeah if I dwell on it then I'm not I'm just going to yeah I'm just going to why why do I need those emotions why not just carry it on how do you go about achieving those things like what's the plan like what goes through your head you

write those down and then what I write those down and then I just start with the smallest thing and then eventually I build up to the biggest thing yeah yeah so maybe I'll if I say a goal is 1,000 videos I just start by one yeah then I start by two then I start by three and if I don't reach 1,000 videos by the end of the year that's okay yeah yeah yeah I still made 500 more than I was going to make at the start of the Year anyways yeah so I'm fine by that yeah yeah so just take finding the like smallest piece possible starting there it's like the getting out of bed and making your bed and by the time you come

home and if you've done nothing the whole day at least you've made your bed your house is your room is clean your house is clean you can go into a nice bed and sleep so it's just appreciating the Small Things yeah yeah okay interesting nice um all right bro that was insightful yeah that was cool it take a different approach than I thought it might I went straight off the brief I was going to go what the f or who like BR did you even read the brief that I gave you but that's what this is about so we've got like I don't know three or four minutes maybe more if we needed to plenty of battery life left um you got any questions um

cuz I finished a little early so like uh you don't have to no I don't really have any question what do you think about like David Goggins and stuff I love David Goggins because this whole quote of don't be a [ __ ] it's just straight don't be a [ __ ] yeah you can do it that's it you can do it anyone can do it yeah yeah you're doing it you're doing it right now like what's the difference between the small kid that's trying to do it would you ever go and like like cuz he's pretty like outrageous right he's like not 100% he's like [ __ ] 180% type mindset yep here's the reason I run every day you know like it's that discipline that consistency that you need

to keep going you know but a lot of people go oh yeah I'm motivated here yeah um but now I can't be asked but if you just stay consistent you always stay like this even if you don't want to do it if you just do it bro that's all it takes just stay consistent do you like like that kind of content that's out on Tik Tok CU there's heaps of that kind of stuff right I don't watch Tik Tok you don't even I have Tik Tok on my work phone and that's it I don't even have notifications consum any content no really only like maybe like content I can share to my friends like you know HB like little funny content that I can just

share with my friends but other than that I don't really watch content do you read or I don't read I just self-reflect a lot and what do you consume from like a outside perspective uh I like to listen to a lot of podcasts on cont cont like I love to listen to podcasts because do you watch film no I don't not anymore so you don't so you so really podcast is the only thing uh a YouTube video here and there but mostly podcasts yeah lot podcasts why is that because you're listening to a raw story or from someone like say Robert Downey Jr right his story was crazy about how he came up I I want to know why yeah I like to know why

I just want to know why you became how you were what came from it so why not other forms of content then uh I just don't have time yeah I'm just so busy doing other things and I feel like what I'm doing now is what I'm meant to be doing now so I'm doing it yeah yeah okay interesting um it's an interesting aspect to have of like people who yeah who don't consume content you do though so it's not that you in a way I mean podcast are one of the most prolific content Styles there are especially if you addit it up on like pure minutes of content created podcast would be up there with some of the largest pieces of you know content Banks

um but yeah that's interesting that's interesting like I'll be on a run or I'll be driving I just listen to a podcast and then yeah have you tried audio books no I haven't you should try audio books if you like podcasts because like would do you listen to audio books on spoy AUD oh audible's good one but Spotify if you've got a premium Spotify they give you a certain like couple hundred minutes a month now for a bunch of podcasts yeah so yeah it's pretty new it's only the last couple months audible is like 15 bucks a month you get one book a month y um the reason I was going to say books is like you know you can listen to David goin's book

it's like listening to a podcast but it's four hours you get a deeper understanding yeah so if you like like to hear where people have come from in a podcast you only get like the it's like the sound bite y but you read someone's book and like they can go into real detail like a book that I reckon just hearing your story and like your demeanor of where you where you come from and knowing like sort of the world you've come out of you'd probably really like um Terry Cruz's book it's called about how like just as life yeah when when I'm when I was going through family problems listening to him beating up his dad helped me a lot because when it happened to

me I kind of took his approach on I take his approach on it now I don't ever bother to deal with that cuz that's just bad energy right you don't need the energy there yeah have you read his book no but I've heard a story a million times so I you should read his book cuz it goes into death it goes into right into depth how he had to beat up his dad but everything like that that's actually like you take that he uses that as clickbait y y that's a tiny part of the book true okay have to look it's almost a bit I forgot it happened yeah that's not even a bit I took away W okay so there's so much more about

church and racism and money and uh mascul and abuse and all the other stuff right and fighting for what you believe in and continuing to push there's so much more into it that's mean yeah um but yeah if you like podcast and you'll love AUD audio books especially know a thing on Spotify bro it's so good and if you're just at the gym doing a workout really good to put on or a run y cuz like it's like podcast you can just listen to the background true yeah I I'll check that out yeah cool all right bro well thank you so much man iate that was a cool that was a cool chat something different